Captain Haddock
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Surprise, surprise, they've removed the comments section!
Yet all the article is full of comments all in favour of the asylum seekers from most of the usual subjects.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Jan Higgins wrote:Do we no longer have an extradition treaty of any sort with Greece for convicted murders since Brexit?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63489276
Maybe the Albanian PM should question why so many of his fellow countrymen want to leave Albania in such a dangerous way, nothing like a bit of deflecting from his own country's issues.
A pedant writes!
Generally speaking, Extradition is the official process whereby one country transfers a suspected or convicted criminal to another country upon request of the latter.
We are looking I presume at removing him to Albania (NOT Greece where he's served his sentence) his 'presence being non condusive to the public good'.
His asylum claim (presumably against removal to Albania) will have to be heard first so expect the usual human rights lawyers, such as Matrix Chambers. to drag this out for years on appeal.
Interestingly I've just been reading a sucessful appeal by Matrix against extradition to Greece on 'human rights' grounds as the Greek prisons are apparently overcrowded and there was 'a real risk that they would be detained in inhuman and degrading conditions'.
And there was me thinking that prisons might be some sort of a punishment!
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Members of the far right have been up in arms about the number of migrants arriving on British shores via dinghy, but few have them have taken the time to ponder how their pet project – Brexit – might be to blame for the worsening crisis.
In 2019, when Britain was still in the European Union, less than 2,000 asylum seekers arrived in Britain by boat, government figures show. But by 2021, the year the transition period ended, that number had rocketed to 28,526, with almost 40,000 making the perilous journey so far in 2022.
As the BBC‘s home editor, Mark Easton noted last year, this exposes a common fallacy about Brexit, that you can simply “pull up the drawbridge” and hope to deal with the problem that way.
“Controlling the country’s borders requires international agreement and co-operation.”
Unfortunately, international cooperation is in short supply in the UK right now, having wilfully opted out of most arrangements with our closest neighbours.
When part of the EU’s “Dublin” convention, Britain requested the return of approximately a quarter of asylum cases to other parts of Europe.
Now outside the EU, the UK currently has no return arrangements with any EU country. The government proposed a post-Brexit replacement for the Dublin arrangement – but the EU turned it down.
Last year, of the more than 20,000 people to have made it safely to the UK, just five were returned to Europe.
As the Independent’s Jon Stone noted: “Despite rhetoric about borders and immigration playing a major role in the Leave vote, EU cooperation played a significant role in border policing before Brexit.”
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01403/
1. Asylum applications peaked in 2002.
2. The increase in boat arrivals is merely displaced from lorries which (to the greater part) we are on top of.
3. I personally have sent foreigners back to most of the countries on this planet most of them not being and never having been in the EU.
4. It's 'fewer' than.
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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How I Wrote Elastic Man- Registered: 5 Dec 2020
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#396
Captain, with around 60 million UK citizens out of a total of 67 million, I'm surprised you feel surrounded by people who don't share your values and culture
But back to the main point.
How does the UK stop these people making such a dangerous crossing, and what do we do with them if they do?
Rwanda hasn't deterred them and the government doesn't seem to have much idea. I doubt the opposition does either
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Re #396. I don't spend the whole of my life in Deal. A fortnight ago I was in the Midlands around Leicester and regularly visit my children in London. The canals I spend a lot of time traveling on tend to weave through the more run down parts of midland and northern towns and the guys in the grocers and corner shops there where I get my supplies certainly weren't speaking French.
The Mail graphics might show things best.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11385529/New-map-shows-people-area-born-abroad-immigrant-population-passes-10m.html
You ask how we stop people making such a dangerous crossing. Good question. A very senior Civil Servant put it to me recently like this.
" You know the way that the traditional Pentathlon has been replaced by different sports to make the Modern Pentathlon?
Well apparently the Labours of Hercules have been updated with running Border Force being the modern equivalent of cleaning the Augean Stables "
As with inventing the better mouse trap, if I or anyone else had an easy solution, we would find the Home Secretary beating a path to our door - or at least landing nearby by Chinook!
You might find this video interesting?
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Don't forget that there was a net migration of over 230,000 to the UK last year. But if you're so obsessed with the cross channel refugee element, then the answer is, and always has been, to process applications on French soil.
The froggies won't object. It's only ideology that prevents it. We wouldn't want to do anything that shatters the Brexit fallacy, would we? Otherwise people would start to realise that the whole damn mess was caused by a Tory party unable to control its nut job right wing faction.
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ray hutstone wrote: But if you're so obsessed with the cross channel refugee element, then the answer is, and always has been, to process applications on French soil.
I guess it would make the appeal process interesting (and less costly to us). Might reduce the number of small boat crossings, but eliminate them - surely not.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Ray, you talk of my 'obsession' with cross channel 'refugees' (sic).
I take it you have not been watching TV, listening to the radio or reading any newspapers recently?
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Gary39- Registered: 7 Jul 2017
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Captain Haddock wrote:Ray, you talk of my 'obsession' with cross channel 'refugees' (sic).
I take it you have not been watching TV, listening to the radio or reading any newspapers recently?
Over 150 posts in this thread - I'd call that an obsession. The worrying thing is that you don't appear to be able to recognise the fact.
Gary39- Registered: 7 Jul 2017
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When someone arrives across from the channel and we have no idea who they are.
One enters a home and wants that person to phone for transport to Manchester. I do not call it an obsession but worrying..
Aycliffe has also had a couple of incidents where they have been walking around the estate. Again that time no one has no idea who they are….
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Gary39 wrote: Aycliffe has also had a couple of incidents where they have been walking around the estate. Again that time no one has no idea who they are….
I think you'll find that was Councillor Collor.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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“ In another worrying development, toys donated by charities to children held at Manston have been confiscated by men who have used plastic and metal parts to construct makeshift blades.” Can we stop pretending these are all nice young men fleeing persecution please?
Tony Smith CBE
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
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I find it helps shift the merchandise if you try to flog it to people with money. I also thought that possession of a controlled drug with intent to supply was more yer actual criminal offence, rather than something that HR might slap your wrist for.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Gary39- Registered: 7 Jul 2017
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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God knows why the SBS spend so much time practicing beach landings in the dark when anyone can rock up on a dinghy completely unexpected while everyone and his border collie is looking out for them!
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The same day we have £63million migration deal with France to have more Froggy gendarmes playing beach wack-a-mole but zero agreement about returning failed asylum seekers.
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
