ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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The same day we have £63million migration deal with France to have more Froggy gendarmes playing beach wack-a-mole but zero agreement about returning failed asylum seekers.
Ah yes. The Dublin agreement. Whatever happened to that I wonder? Best ask Farage when he's posing on top of the white cliffs in his shiny trousers and with his Fisher Price binoculars!
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Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
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Two options for the failed illegals rather than letting them disappear into the community.
Maybe a separate prison where they have to work for their keep and for this country but without any of the luxuries like tv or phones.
Use one of the seized boats and drop them just outside of French water with the tiller fixed so it goes forward to France, that way they are being returned from whence they came.
Trouble is the bleeding hearts would not approve of either option or any other solution however sensible unlike mine.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Jan Higgins wrote:Two options for the failed illegals rather than letting them disappear into the community.
Maybe a separate prison where they have to work for their keep and for this country but without any of the luxuries like tv or phones.
Use one of the seized boats and drop them just outside of French water with the tiller fixed so it goes forward to France, that way they are being returned from whence they came.
Trouble is the bleeding hearts would not approve of either option or any other solution however sensible unlike mine.
You don't remember the Dublin agreement then, Jan?
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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It does not matter if I remember it or not, or whether my options were even remotely serious but I did wonder if anyone would bite. The following is from Google....
Is the UK still bound by the Dublin agreement?
The 'Dublin III Regulation' and all other aspects of the Common European Asylum System will no longer apply to the UK from January 2021....21 Dec 2020
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Jan Higgins wrote:It does not matter if I remember it or not, or whether my options were even remotely serious but I did wonder if anyone would bite. The following is from Google....
Is the UK still bound by the Dublin agreement?
The 'Dublin III Regulation' and all other aspects of the Common European Asylum System will no longer apply to the UK from January 2021....21 Dec 2020
Hardly a bite but at least it generated an amusing response. The point I was making was, of course, that prior to Brexit we had a legal right to routine failed asylum seekers to the EU country from which they had departed for our shores. Knowing you to be an avid Brexit supporter, I just wondered whether you'd forgotten. Clearly such things don't matter anymore.
Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Can't be bothered going through ineffectiveness of Dublin and challenges to it under ECHR. It's all out there with Wiki and MigrationWatch.
Yes, it was better than having nothing - but only just.
None of it matters anyway apart from amongst #FBPE loons still fighting yesterday's battles.
The odd thing is that I can't see many other countries putting up with large camps of people who have unregularised immigration status yet no wish to apply for asylum as France do.
Could you see the UK just putting up with thousands of undocumented camped in shanty towns next to towns on the coast?
Still, at least somebody is pleased to see them.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Ah, Migration Watch. There's an organisation that has reached the pinnacle of objectivity and unbiased analysis.
The fact that our government chose to make scant use of Dublin when it could, makes it no less ridiculous that it should moan so vociferously about being unable to repatriate now. As with so many aspects of Brexit, you reap just what you sow.
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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I love the way it is all the fault of Brexit and this government, but only to be expected from a Labour supporter and Europhile.
The French seem to have no control of their own beaches or the multitude who prefer to risk their lives to get to the UK rather than stay in the safe and prosperous EU. I find it ridiculous that we have to physically pay help for their obviously ineffectual or is it inadequate police force.
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Dover Pilot- Registered: 28 Jul 2018
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Unless you build a huge wall along the French coast and deploy thousands of troops it is impossible to stop these crossings. Throwing more money at the French will do nothing.
The problem is completely the fault of our government for making it so desirable for people to come here. No where else in the world would give these people free food, money, phones, accommodation, medical care and vaccinations, transport and legal representation. They are treated better than our own citizens.
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Matey
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 11 Oct 2021
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I think Dover Pilot has hit the nail on the head, even the Mayor of Calais says we make it too tempting. It’s lovely to treat fellow humans so nicely, but when we are ourselves, are having to wait to see the doctor or treatment and having to use food banks etc, it’s ridiculous putting these people in hotels!
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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I love the way it is all the fault of Brexit and this government, but only to be expected from a Labour supporter and Europhile.
And I love the way Brexit has wrought no damage at all and this government cannot be blamed for anything it has presided over for the last 12 years. But only to be expected from a closet Tory and a little Englander.
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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ray hutstone wrote:I love the way it is all the fault of Brexit and this government, but only to be expected from a Labour supporter and Europhile.
And I love the way Brexit has wrought no damage at all and this government cannot be blamed for anything it has presided over for the last 12 years. But only to be expected from a closet Tory and a little Englander.
I love the way you twist anything I say to fit your biased agenda, but sadly I still respond to your narrow minded views so will do my best to ignore them in future unless really bored as I am today.
BTW over my numerous years of observation I have learnt to distrust all political parties or government and am certainly no "little Englander".
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Jan Higgins wrote:I love the way you twist anything I say to fit your biased agenda, but sadly I still respond to your narrow minded views so will do my best to ignore them in future unless really bored as I am today.
BTW over my numerous years of observation I have learnt to distrust all political parties or government and am certainly no "little Englander".
When your arguments are so weak that you are reduced to being patronising, then you should hardly be surprised if I respond in the same way. Quite how that is 'twisting what you say' is beyond me. I do hope you find something else to reduce your understandable boredom.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
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Quiz time: which MP said "Regrettably, the modest French agreement falls short of what is needed to address the scale, impact and urgency of the channel crossings issue. We do not need more observation—we need action taken on the French side"?
(Not my real name.)
Weird Granny Slater
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 3,070
A modest proposal for 'action on the French side': reconquer Calais.
(Wentworth never forgiven.)
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Keith Sansum1
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Wonder if this govt , or any new govt will ever get control of the situation ?
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Interesting comments from Mr Lomas.
Whilst he speaks of the Best Western Clifton Hotel, Leaf Hotels also owns the Holiday Inn Express in Canterbury which would appear to be 'fully booked' for the foreseeable future.
They also own the Holiday Express Dover (Whitfield) ........................................
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