Captain Haddock
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Interesting debate?
The Today Debate: Channel crossings and the asylum system. Can we fix it?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0dj3ss3?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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Keith Sansum1
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I only pose a question we don't take in any where near the most
Although for some years we have a failed immigration system
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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So what's the question?
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Button
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Mrs E tweets: "I met with Ministers yesterday to discuss the need for the Online Safety Bill to stop the advertising of Channel Crossings by criminal trafficking gangs.
I will be studying the Government’s latest amendments to the Bill to see if the bill needs strengthening in this regard. "
Have to admit I hadn't thought of that.
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Rwanda the 6th safest country for solo travellers, new survey finds .
'The only places where more people said they felt safe were Singapore, Norway and Hong Kong.'
https://www.euronews.com/travel/2022/01/24/rwanda-the-6th-safest-country-for-solo-travellers-new-survey-finds"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Deal sea front 2.30 this morning!
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Why am I not surprised you raise this bob?
I wonder in your travels of being in conservative , labour, lib dems and maybe any others how all your views fit in
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Ah! A follower of Active Patriot. Ask them what their definition of patriotism is. And while you're about it, try to explain to them the difference between 'were' and 'where'.
Might be a difficult one for them to follow.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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ray hutstone wrote:Ah! A follower of Active Patriot.
Good God. Someone who believes that old Marshall McLuhan mantra that 'the medium is the message!
Unfortunately couldn't find footage of the reason I was woken by blue lights and sirens in the early hours of the morning elsewhere.
Please note that my Strikevent Calendar on the 'Christmas' thread was lifted from Momentum. Make of that what you will.
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Reginald Barrington
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A target?
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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No more than Gulliver was in Lilliput in this case Reg.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Both the message and the medium are devoid of understanding.
1. There is a global refugee problem. If you don't understand that, or the reasons behind it, then there's probably no point in reading further.
2. We, here in the UK, take a very low percentage of the total number.
3. Unless you're from the Ukraine, Hong Kong or, to a lesser extent, Afghanistan you have no way of applying for asylum in the UK safely.
4. We therefore have a problem with a number of asylum seekers who are compelled to take the only remaining means of reaching our shores - small boats across the channel.
5. This problem could be resolved almost overnight by allowing applications to be made and processed in chosen countries of departure or by organising safe routes.
If you're still struggling then try this video in which a Tory MP makes this very point to the gormless bigot Suella Braverman. I suspect trying to explain it to your Active Patriot role models would be tantamount to trying to explain colour to someone blind from birth.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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1-4 you are stating the bleeding obvious.
5. Don't be so bloody silly.
70.8 million refugees in the world. Many of them really nice people no doubt. Just how many do you want?
Just process them in France? Perhaps we could have a whole load of processing centres? Some might quite like to go to the USA? Or New Zealand? We could set up a whole load of stalls in Calais.
Bit of a shame that those turned down would fill up the empty spaces on the dinghies but there you go.
What about all those trapped in North Africa about to take a dangerous trip across the Med? Processing in Libya? Hate to see anyone drowning in the Med.
And those about to leave West Africa to cross the Sahel? Loads die there. Also kidnapped/raped/into slavery? Process them in Nigeria/Ghana?
As for the poor bastards fleeing Myanmar let's process them in the refugee camps in Bangladesh?
Yup. That's going to work.
There is only one real question. I repeat.
How many do you want Ray?
Pick a number between zero and 70.8 million.
I'm going for ZERO.
Meanwhile the Balkanisation of England continues apace.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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How many do you want Ray?
Amusingly, I was watching Politics Live earlier this week which had on its panel one Craig Mackinlay. OK, he's not the sharpest knife in the parliamentary drawer but the amusing point was that, at the end of a long discussion on this subject where all his arguments (mainly the same as yours) were picked apart, he was reduced to the same rhetorical bellow, demanding of this fellow contributors "how many do you want?".
The answer was fairly unanimous. We need immigration and we owe civilisation an obligation to offer shelter to those suffering persecution. We want to achieve those goals in an humane and controlled way.
Mackinlay didn't even have the bottle to say ZERO on national television but simply shuffled nervously in his seat and avoided the question when it was put back to him.
Another of your role models, maybe?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I thought many companies were crying out for people
And many could go under.
Fruit pickers etc
Of course Bob never changes
Somehow he was once in both the liberal and labour parties !
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Button- Location: Dover
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The answer was fairly unanimous - and so the number was..?
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Button wrote:The answer was fairly unanimous - and so the number was..?
The point is, of course, that there isn't one. The world can be so obtuse sometimes, I know.
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ray hutstone wrote:The point is, of course, that there isn't one. The world can be so obtuse sometimes, I know.
Limitless immigration then? Or did I miss something?
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Yes. You did. When there a too many variables to calculate a specific number at any one time, it doesn't mean that the answer is infinity.
It is a rhetorical question of no value in finding the solution and much prized by the likes of the Cap'n and Craig Mackinley.
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