Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Barry, many unemployed are skint, and haven't being paying too much tax.
And many on mortgages haven't being paying too much tax, but became skint.
So your assessment of the situation is partially correct, but only partially.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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You have a great insight Alexander....
Your problem is that I have a far greater insight into the detailed financial affairs of a large number of people gained over 23 years. Many of these have been through periods of unemployment, periods of 'being in the money' and periods of being skint, I have some in each category now. Even the 'skint' ones can often manage their affairs better to claim back or save tax.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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# 60.Yet another ``classic``statement indicative of having absolutely no knowledge how,at present but more to come,
7 million people have to live...
..``skint people have not organised their finances efficiently and are paying too much Tax``
..hello..they have not had any finances to organise and they have had no reason/opportunity of ``avoiding Tax``
This post is typical,it takes one item in a post,twists it to an irrelevant subject to continue a biased view/opinion.
# 62.....another classic..modest or what ?.
``I have a far greater insight into the detailed financial affairs of a large number of people over 23 years``
.....how many 100 ?....we are talking about 7,000,000 people in desperate circumstances trying to put food on their families
table.....you cannot be serious...
Having ignored the many previous such postings perhaps they will need to be de-coded when they appear ?
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Barry, have you any idea how many new food banks are being opened each day in Britain?
I full respect you work, but it is within a sphere, and does not represent the whole population. There are millions of people in Britain, including children, whose financial problems are not related to their (or their families) paying too much tax.
One can't use one shoe to measure all feet.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Reg Hansell - You really do cut/paste and warp everything. I can guarantee to you that I have a far better grasp of how most people run their finances than you do, people from all backgrounds and circumstances, I deal with it every day. It may be inconvenient to you but it is not only well off middle class people or wealthy people who want some proper advice on financial matters. As always facts are inconvenient when it comes to your continuous and rather puerile point scoring.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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# 65.Calm down old chap.
Cameron is on the job now to irradicate Tax Avoidance by the people and Corporations who are offending.
They are unlikely to be looking at the elderly persons section so don`t panic.
Having said that Osborne has been known to look at ``Granny Tax``!!!
Keith Sansum1
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barryw
you realy do amuse me your postings, more so on this subject.
as you know i have always said i support the ALL IN IT TOGETHER motto
but sadly you only wish to speak of the skint people
and do as much as you can to avoid the subject of those high earners
being part of this scheme
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Osborne's gobbledegook has shattered confidence in the Coalition, and is possibly one major factor to the demise of the Tory party, unless they wake up and DO something credible and tangible!
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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alexander
sadly like the lib dems the tory party is long past its sell by date
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Not at all, Keith!
If the Tories can pluck up courage and make some important innovative moves within the economy, they stand a good chance of success.
As I've previously stated, I don't bang at the Tories for the sake of it.
If they make some decisive moves to improve the economy, this will bring applause from the crowds, and we can move onto a fast-track and leave the eurozone problems in the dust!
Who dares, wins!
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Some times Keith s, I think your forum account is not manned by you .
But by some flunky in labour party HQ.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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At an Election, many people will not want to vote for a party which they know cannot get in, if the candidate is unlikely pass the first one over the line mark.
Consequently, many potential UKIP voters would vote for the Tories, so as to avoid the lost vote problem.
UKIP had not ever chosen the possibility of a future alliance with the Tories, treating all three mainstream parties with the same contempt. So even an idea of a pre-election agreement between the Conservatives and UKIP on fielding candidates is out of the question.
Had UKIP aimed at a social programme to attract Labour voters, while maintaining a tough stance on immigration, they'd have stood a chance of gaining support from the Left voters, and entering a coalition with the Tories at a future General Election.
This had been my proposal about a year and a half ago, totally ignored at the time.
So when the hens come back to roost, at a G.E., as it stands now, UKIP could discover they have crippled their own election chances, while steadily blazing away at the Tories, fulminating the BNP, and not bothering to attract socialist votes (Labour).
Now, Ed Miliband and Ed Balls are trying to play the "immigration was wrong" card, and the "EU referendum" card. They've begun making overtures in these directions.
Until now, Labour had slept, now they're waking up, and UKIP discover they've only been firing vollies in all directions.
And because UKIP made great hail out of every Tory member who they could attract over to UKIP, giving each of these a top place in UKIP, in front of blazing cameras, the masses think that UKIP is another Tory party.
So many might think: well why not just vote for the Conservatives and avoid splitting the vote!
While many others might think: well, if Labour is now adjusting to more sensible ideas, why not vote Labour?
I saw this all coming, tried to speak up, but was silenced off.
Where will this get UKIP now?
Counting the number of views Dover Forum gets, and comparing them to the number of views the other forum gets, and making great publicity out of this, is not really what one expects of a UKIP chairman!!!
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Alexander;
your right the tories could put things right, but with cameron in charge he has admitted under his leadership they wont be leaving the e.u
as for elections the tories wont go in with ukip, the same party that will help to get rid of the tories from govt.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith: at a G.E., people would realise that UKIP and the Tories would split each other's vote, and many would likely vote for the party which seems more likely to get in, namely the Conservatives.
The potential of attracting votes from the Left is fading away, now that Labour is waking up and admitting their past mistakes.
But I think a party like UKIP, in opposition and with no seats in Parliament, trying to become a party with popular support from the masses, needed to offer something big, and certainly needed to keep an eye on the local chairmen.
For such a party to have a local chairman who does nothing is no good for them.
In UKIP, local chairmen can participate with proposals in party policy. They are listened to by the policy team, and if a chairman could make a convincing point, he could not only influence party policy, but become a credible figure within his consituency.
However, a local meeting with 5 participants is no good.
And a chairman who tells other people to be quiet is the best way to close down a local party
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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ALEXANDER;
i wouldn't want to get into how the local branch of ukip runs it's affairs that's dow to them.
what i will say is that they have little impact into dover.
on the national scene, a lot of tories left to join ukip because of cameron's stand that he wll never leave the eu.
and yes ukip will split votes across the country and tories will lose seats in marginals, and some of the lib dems(clegg) will probably lose there seats this time round.
unfortunatly no one trusts this cobbled together govt anymore
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Alex, somebody might correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think UKIP even has an active local branch any more, certainly I haven't heard anything since Vic stood down as chairman and left the party earlier this year. Vic really is out of party politics for good this time and just wants to look after his garden and his parish councils.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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and usualy peter you need the grass roots supoport to build upon.
UKIP has always been seen as a one policy party, and ony around in election periods.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Peter, no-one ever informed me that Vic stood down as chairman of UKIP or that he left the party.
The last I heard of Vic on the matter, was when he made a post on Dover Forum - can't remember precisely when - but possibly late last year, or early this year, promising that the next UKIP candidate for MP Dover and Deal would be Nigel Farage, or some other well known identity of UKIP from outside the Dover and Deal constituency.
And that, this failing, it would be the one and only Vic in person.
That was the final straw, when I stopped bothering anymore to associate with UKIP Dover and Deal.
Vic should have stepped down long ago from the head of the Tables, and stopped challenging people to boxing matches when they were trying to be useful in the party.
Alternatively, the UKIP head office, or some other local head office of the party, should have examined Vic's conduct as chairman at the time.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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we don't hear much from them nowadays, i do know one of their active members and will ask him when i next see him.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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But then again, Howard, Vic has claimed so often that he was stepping down as chairman, and would not candidate himself an MP, and then changed his mind, that most people would have lost count.
At one point I lost track when in 4 months he made 5 such claims.... and each time changed his mind.
The idea might be to become chairman by default when no-one is present at a meeting
