howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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one mans truth is another mans balderdash as you know keith.
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Nigel Farage -absolutely brilliant oration-he tells all those idiots just how it is-he makes those euro wasters squirm. Such marvellous irony that he is in European Parliament to get us out of it-roll on the day!
Never give up...
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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loves the money and expenses though much like all the euroscepeptics there.
daniel hannan is another one that bites the hand that feeds him.
great essayists and know how to play to the gallery.
Keith Sansum1
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alexander you probably answered your own question
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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So Howard - you think only pro-EU MEPs should serve in the European parliament... You have said that kind of thing before.
Far better to fight the enemy from inside. Besides, at the end of the day it is up to the people to elect the MEPs they want and the election of Eurosceptics of any party is a statement about the state of the EU. It would be great if all our MEPs were anti-EU and were able to work against it from the inside.
Keith Sansum1
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barryw;
probably good to have alternative views, but this hard to take when they are part of the same gravy train
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They don't like it up-um!
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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There is nowhere better to fight this particular gravy train than from the inside exposing it for what it is.
Brian Dixon
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barry,you would get 5 years for exposung yourself in public.

Keith Sansum1
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Barryw
I don't dispute what you say
but mr farage picks up his £77,000 like the others and im sure claims
towards the £250,000 he is legal able to do
thats the part thats a problem
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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So he should, he was elected and does a good job as a MEP even though he is in the wrong party.
Keith Sansum1
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Barryw
sometimes it's good to research, having done so, I find that our nigel, who has run a campaign highlighting the westminster MP expenses fiasco(and rightly so)
now find that our nigel claimed over £2 million, yes you heard correct £2 million.
on being questioned on this taking of TAXPAYERS MONEY he said he was happy to claim as much as he could and run his anti e u campaign on this money.
sory nigel, find your own money.
hypocrisy is one word for for it
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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He has not done nothing wrong with this at all. Why not run an anti-EU campaign with EU money? Its far better spent than most of the EU budget for that purpose.
At least with Farage you know what you are voting for and I can say that despite the fact that I would never contemplate voting for him and his Party.
Keith Sansum1
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BARRYW;
He has done nothing wrong, in this you are correct, it's just another example of one rule for them another for us.
and it's legal as well, so thats fne thats hes ripping us off of £2million
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Have to say Barry that surprises me, the current tory party bears no resemblence to a traditional tory party. People are disenchanted with Cameron and relate more to Farage, though I doubt that will transfer into votes at a general election.
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DAVID;
like you say cameron is so unpopular, but our nigel where as he could have wiped up many of the more maginal seats, with this scandal of claiming £2 million
whilst running a campaign against UK MP's dong the same is a scandal in itself
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Keith, talking about expenses is futile now, just look at Warsi, politicians see it as their right to abuse the system, its one of the reasons I loathe 99% of them.
I would have Barry down as a "traditional" tory, I think the UKIP manifesto is more in line with his thinking that the centrist bed wetter Cameron.
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David - I am a traditional Tory but I am not in favour of a narrow political sideshow like UKIP. Far better to work for the policies of which I approve from the inside of the Party that has a chance to implement them. To gain power you need to be able to form a broad electoral basis, this needs some compromise, better to get part of the programme that you support through than none.
Keith Sansum1
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DAVID;
I don't disagree with your comments with regard to expenses, but theres no more reason to say its wrong, and continue to do so.
it's not the way i want MY MONEY wasted in this way.
on mr Cameron he does have a problem, hes one of the few prime ministers who was expected to be in power for some time, but after the first year of u turns etc it became clear he wasnt going to last more than one term.
of course to be fair to him, he has a real problem, he's given the lib dems a lot more power than they should have got, but that was probaby in desperation to get into number 10, he's now findng that to be a mistake, and hes not only got the lib dems openly fighting him, he also has his own back benchers given him notice till december to change course or face a leadership election.
he's realy in a no win situation,
by pleasing the lib dem agenda he upsets his own back benchers and maybe then a leadership election.
if he goes with his back benchers against the lib dems then it could well see the collapse of the cobbled together govt.
either way, david loses.
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