howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i think keith is right on this one, it is totally immoral to take vast quantities of taxpayers money in the form of expenses to further ukip's political agenda.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Immoral? For taking the pay and expenses that are his legitimately for doing the job for which he was democratically elected.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Same applies to the UK tax avoidance group the Treasury are desperately trying to get them pay to pay their just
contribution to the national deficit.
It is immoral.......and to defend such behaviour lacks credibility.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Immoral is it, to earn the pay and expenses to do the job you were elected to do. Very strange attitude that.
'Just contribution to the national deficit'.... mmmmm perhaps it would have been better to have had a government that did not manage their fiscal policy so incompetently since 1997. Define also 'just contribution' - surely that is only what the law says it should be, anyone breaking the law should be prosecuted. If it is too complicated an issue to prosecute, once again we come to fault of government for making our tax system so over complicated.
Always firing off at the wrong targets you, Reg.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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nice try barry but what has he spent his expenses on?
if they were genuinely incurred he would keep the money for himself quite rightly.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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The EU has its own rules on how that works Howard. There is no suggestion that he has claimed anything illegitimately. The rights and wrongs of the EU rules for expenses are another matter. One thing is for sure, they are a lot more generous that the UK parliament. The EU itself is, of course, a corrupt organisation and MEPs like Farage are fighting against them and if money from the EU helps with that fight then good.
Brian Dixon
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a bit like the comendy club then,when is bernard manning getting on the stage.
Keith Sansum1
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the expenses wages?for the eu is the same as an mp in the uk govt
its the rest of the expenses that is wrong.
to justify the spending of £2million of our money is wrong, whilst it may not be illegal, is it right.
we all have views on the eu, but should our money be spent this way?
and by a person who has campaigned against such spending in the uk parliament
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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# 44.Tax avoidance and excessive expenses,even if legal at the moment,is not a wrong target.
The revenue lost by their actions would help the nation in its hour of need.
The people avoiding tax will feel much better if they are seen to be paying their way like the rest of us ??????
The people who enable the avoidance of tax will also feel they are relieved of having to continually explain ``It`s more than
my job`s worth``or``I was under orders``
....we have heard that before....somewhere.......
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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its all coming home to roost
the general public are so dstant from politicians there could be a lot of shocks at the next election
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#49, Reg I think it's a first on the forum for Godwin's Law to surface in a thread about financial probity......
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the fuhrer certainly left his mark.
i meant the bloke with the quiff and moustache not our esteemed council leader of course.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#49 Reg I am very pleased and proud to advise people on how they can invest in the best way to reduce their tax bill and gain the best possible returns, likewise on how their financial affairs can be re-arranged to avoid paying unnecessary tax. I have never met anyone in the last 23 years of doing this who wants to pay more tax than they have to, however left wing or right wing they are or however self righteous. Talk is easy but if it was you.......
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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paying a fair share barryw
quite different
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Define that...
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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A fair share is when everybody pays the same Keith, I'm pretty sure you're not advocating that
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Most people are aware what a `fair share`means.....especially on Tax.
The Law should be amended to stamp out the enormous numbers ``avoiding tax legally``and a Flat rate tax system to
enable everyone to pay their ``fair share``
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Ahhhh so, you agree with me about simple, flat taxes..... well I never. That's the first time I have seen you say that. So why did you not say you agreed with me the many times I (and Ross) have advocated that? Perhaps because you are so tribal you cannot bring yourself to agree with those you see as enemy.
As for stamping out 'avoiding tax legally'
I assume you mean a non-earning wife being allowed to have the family savings in her name so no tax has to be paid
Perhaps you also mean the ability to shelter savings from tax by using an ISA
Perhaps you also mean tax relief on pension contributions
Maybe you mean stopping tax relief on EIS and VCTs that encourage high risk investment into businesses
Maybe you want to stop the use of trusts that aid the transfer of wealth to those who most need and deserve it
Perhaps you want to stop me from telling a pensioner how best he or she can avoid the 'age allowance trap' with their savings
Perhaps you want to punish small business owners who incorporate and use dividends as part of their remuneration to help their cashflow
I could go on.
So in your world doing what is legal and looking after yourself and your own first and foremost is wrong...
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Barry, you may well be right in your assessment of how to save on tax, but the fact is that more and more common people are skint, and the Treasury is skint anyway and full of debts. So the Government devises ways of increasing taxes and cutting spending to make the ends meet.
The more tax is avoided here, the more the Treasury will go hunting for an alternative revenue there. So basically, by saving sausages we're loosing the rashers of bacon.
Because the Treasury will somehow get to the money it needs.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Alexander - many of those 'skint' people have not organised their finances efficiently and are paying too much tax. The answer to the UK's problems is not more tax or people paying more tax than they have to, it is to get control of government spending and to bring it down to a manageable level while relieving businesses of that massive burden so they can grow and invest.