Guest 664- Registered: 23 Mar 2008
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2019742/Gemma-Hayter-killing-3-guilty-murdering-woman-learning-difficulties.html
Particularly disturbing story in the news today. The people who did this sound like a bunch of remorseless psychopaths. I hope they all stay in gaol for a very long time and receive brutal treatment from other prisoners so that they learn how it feels when a human life is treated with no respect.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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what goes through the minds of people who perpetrate these deeds?
sadly there have been many cases in recent years where people with disability problems have been picked on and brutalised as if they have no right to be treated decently.
the judge seems to have summed it up perfectly, sounds like a life means life sentence.
Brian Dixon
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yes indeed howard,it allways the weak and vunarable that get picked on.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Yes indeed it seems to be a new sport victimising the disabled, we have seen several documentaries on this in recent times. Some people cant leave anyone with an affliction alone. I remember just a few years ago here there was a woman sleeping rough, she clearly had mental difficulties, but she was subjected to all sorts of abuse by the bored youth. it gave them a thrill, several people tried to stop it at different times. The woman eventually moved on or was taken away or something...but there seems to be a gene lurking not that far below the surface that brings this behaviour out.
It also must be said that the perpetual violence pouring out of our TV screens, our cinema screens, where all solutions to all problems are reached by killing, usally with guns, well all this doesnt help. No alternatives to killing are ever explored.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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why this change in public behaviour though?
we were all told as kids that it was wrong to "mock the afflicted", tasteless jokes did the rounds of course at school, but never was violence inflicted.
do the parents of the assailants not know or simply not care?
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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#6
probably both howard.
Jan Higgins
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Exactly Howard, the parents might be as guilty with their attitude to the disabled.
I hope they all get a very sticky time in prison from the other prisoners.
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#8
People quite simply do not know how to behave in public any more. And those used-to-be treasured qualities of compassion, empathy and courtesy are no longer valued in the same way. Sad, very sad. And yet, when those qualities are demonstrated when dealing with young, vulnerable, disadvantaged or sad people the response is, by and large, positive and warm. So underneath it all, perhaps they are still valued traits. I hope so. There is no excuse for discourtesy. And even less for outright cruelty.
Guest 717- Registered: 16 Jun 2011
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What always baffles me is how these people find each other. Does the subject just come up over dinner one day "oh honey I quite fancy beating and killing someone, are you in?"!. This is probably more of a spur of the moment sickening event but I'm talking about the more extreme cases, James Bulger murderers, the Hindleys etc. A lot of brain washing involved I should think.
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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#10
There are those in any society who are born cruel and sadistic, some overcome their feelings but sadly there are those who do not.
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Guest 717- Registered: 16 Jun 2011
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You are right Jan . I wonder how much of the internet is to blame for fueling these 'fantasies' nowadays. Before it was a very seedy underworld but now it has been blown wide open in the comfort of their own homes.
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#12
social/health services also have some responsibility in some cases. My experience in mental health and forensics has shown me very clearly that those who start by pulling the legs off spiders graduate through strangling mice to larger mammals and end up maiming or damaging people. And yet we still do n't act.
Guest 717- Registered: 16 Jun 2011
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Yes Bern it is quite common to see the backgrounds of these people as vunerlable and/or subject to abuse as a child. Perhaps these people need more attention than most. Do you find though that once they reached a certain age (adulthood) theydropped off of the radar until offences happened?
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#14
this will continue all over this country until we have a deterrent against such crimes when people like that know they will be killed for such crimes just maybe it will slow down or stop.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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very true about how these things start, we often hear people say that we make too much fuss about cruelty to animals.
the truth is that the people that are guilty there are also a danger to children.
Guest 717- Registered: 16 Jun 2011
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You know what they'll say tho Alan "in order for my client to commit such a crime your honour there is no way he/she could have been of sound mind (input speech about their terrible childhood) and I therefore would like you to discount any thoughts about the death penalty being applicable my client's sentencing"
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Guest 664- Registered: 23 Mar 2008
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It is sad that some people seem to sadistically enjoy inflicting cruelty on others, and anyone who is very young, old, or has some kind of illness or disability is an easier target. The people in this terrible case are the lowest of the low but you don't have to do something this dreadful to harm a vulnerable person.
Some of the worst sorts are those who cultivate a public image of being a nice, caring person but quietly stick the knife in whenever the opportunity arises or whenever they think they can get away with it.
Guest 643- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I was chatting with a young girl today. She has learning difficulties and behavioral problems and is at a special school. She told me she was upset because her daddy wasn't going to be there for her birthday. When I asked why she said he is in prison. I didn't ask her why but she continued - telling me that mummy had an affair and daddy knifed the other man. This child is one of 8 children and she is 11 and the youngest. My point is this, if a child grows up in these circumstances surely it scars them and angers them, which may present itself in later life as aggression,specially in a child with this sort of problem. She is already having anger management and can be violent. It really upsets me when I hear of children suffering in this way because it shows a lack of parental support and guidance. Social services are on her case so at least someone cares.
This child lives in Essex but I'm sure there are similar cases happening elsewhere. Is it any wonder we get these violent actions and how do we stop it
There's always a little truth behind every "Just kidding", a little emotion behind every "I don't care" and a little pain behind every "I'm ok".
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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The other day I read a reader's comment on Sky News in regards to another horrible crime, the death of a mother and child in Kent when their house was set fire to.
The comment stated that our society must come back to God. Fully agree.
We should see to it that our schools are not bullied into banishing the teaching of the Christian Faith, and children who do not belong to another religion (and therefore have no excuse) should not be allowed to disengage from the religion lesson.
At Saint Mary school, a young man named Mr. Pinner used to come occasionally, to speak at the school assembly or to do the religion lesson, and whatever word he said, came from the heart, and so to me he seemed to be next to Jesus.
Could the hatred against teaching the Faith that has been expressed and promoted by atheists, who have tried to bully the Parliament and the public opinion over the past few decades into hating all things that are to do with Faith, be the direct responsible cause of so many crimes committed by young people?
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Sorry Alex but "faith" has nothing to do with it. There have been a lot of awful crimes committed in the past in the name of all kinds of religion also children should not be forced to follow Christianity or any other religion.
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