Man's inhumanity to man
- 13 September 2011 14:59126277I'm by no means religious, but had RE / RI lessons at St Martins and Dover Grammar School.
I believe they generally teach right from wrong according to any decent person.
As I remember, it promotes goodwill to others, treat others as you would like to be treated - I can't see much wrong with that.
As I understand, that is more or less the message all mainstream religions would like to declare.
Perhaps RE / RI lessons should be re-labeled as 'Living in a caring, responsible Society', and drop all mention of religion, so no-one can opt out on 'faith' grounds. - 13 September 2011 15:03126279something needs to be done tony, children have to know the clear differences between right and wrong at the outset.
once bad behaviour becomes the norm with a child then there is little that can change them later. - 13 September 2011 15:17126283I seem to recall a few years after I started work, the 'new' school intake arriving with stories of rowdy behaviour in the classrooms, dads coming to the school threatening teachers who dared to enforce discipline, etc.
I'm not advocating, least of all condoning some of the extreme punishments meted out by teachers when I was at school, but unless there is a real threat of reprisal for undisciplined, selfish pupils, they will continue their anti-social behaviour into the workplace - or the world of unemployment.
We've witnessed some dreadful behaviour in the recent riots and some swift retribution by the courts, which in some cases has highlighted the unfairness in some sentencing.
I think in the absence of capital punishment, we'd all like to believe that certain people should be locked up for life without any chance of release and the possibility of re-offending.
The only way of ensuring this is to build more prisons. So many rioters didn't believe they would be sent to prison because of lack of space! Where was the deterent? - Keith Sansum1
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13 September 2011 17:50126318some interesting views here.
as for the death penalty, i will never be convinced of bringing this back.
as for teachers, yes now its gone to far the other way where compensation claims comes before everything else.
every walk afected by it.
on the issue of offenders, im afraid i dont wash the idea that someone who has had a bad childhood, should therefore be shown more sympathy if they hurt some one else, far to often that is used as an excuse.
everyone knows the difference between right and wrong
its all about choices,
hope that helps my little pleb 2 pennethALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 13 September 2011 18:26126329As Tony says, all 'religious' instruction at school should be on a 'MORALS, ETHICS, HUMANITARIAN how to live a good life' basis, without being attached to any particular religion.
I agree with that. All schoolchildren need to be taught the difference between good and bad and how to live a good life....---------------------------------------------------
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13 September 2011 18:30126330KATH;
No, whilst being taught it is fine
everyone knows what is right from wrong
its about choicesALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 13 September 2011 20:56126358With the Faith, the most enjoyable fact about it, is that the last word is not with human beings, but with God!Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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13 September 2011 21:31126372have given my 2pennethALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 13 September 2011 21:44126382Boundaries and consequences. That's my twopennorth!
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13 September 2011 21:45126384but me a pleb bernALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 13 September 2011 22:19126406I'm with Alexander on this one, what he says makes sense.
Keith I feel you've completely gone off subject in your last few posts. The fact is that a lot (not all) of todays kids are not being taught by their parents what is right and wrong. With all the emphasis on childrens rights these days adults have a hard job to teach the things that we were in our young days. A clip round the ear from a teacher or a polceman kept us on our toes and taught us respect. These days the police are mocked and insulted by kids not long out of nappies. Then they turn round and tell you they know their rights!! I don't for one minute condone anything that physically hurts a child but without any guidance from our generation what chance do they have to learn the very basics of our civilisation. I could go on and on with this but I need sleep
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14 September 2011 07:26126422jacqui
i do not disagree with your comments
but let me explain my mere pleb views a little more lol
having been through the so called catholic faith, i would say it may not be the best method to get a c hild to know the rights and wrongs of society.
let me explain further;
during my time at school(which was far from a happy experience) i saw nuns beating children, and children thrown down stairs, and i could go on,
for those of you that know anything about the alternatives to religion, all my family went through the catholic schools, and my oldest brother became a humanists
purely lost belief, probably because of some of the thngs he saw.
to go further, as a child we were not one the richest of family, but we got by, but i was fully aware what was right from wrong, but this did not come from any faith in schools, in came from a very strict father(parent)
in todays society teachers, parents, police, etc are unable to do the job they are paid to do becaase of the do gooders, and we need to change that, but what we also need is to look at all angles as to why children misbehave.
In my pleb later life i have gone into schools in dover and shepway on a regular basis and you would not believe some of the way children act and get away with things and some very minor changes would sort that, some schools are very good at it.
having seen the horrors of many of the schools i did visit the acadamy primary school in shepway what an eye opener, lovely children, repect for the teachers, respect for others respect for visitors.
i could go onALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 14 September 2011 07:43126426Keef
Obviously the nuns knocking hell out of you and tossing you down the stairs did you the world of good as you now serve as a law enforcement officer.
Joking apart we seem to have gone from one extreme to another.
Discipline and manners start at home and are maintained at school. The sad fact is that many families don't instill these principles for a variety of reasons..ranging from the dont care drug fuelled booze intoxicated parents.The unloved unwanted kids of unmarried mums and finally the need for both parents to work to meet the ever increasing household bills. No simple answer or quick fix to a very complicated problem.Marek
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14 September 2011 08:28126429marek;
yep disipline starts at home
society in general needs sorting
no one agency can solve it
but still everyone knows right from wrongALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 14 September 2011 12:30126465Christian Faith and all religions have been the cause of many wars over the years well thats what they tell us. I think its mans ability not to live in harmony with one another, from the days of the cave man we have ether taken what we wont had tribal wars then world wars and now we face terrorism man cannot live with out some sort of conflict. It would be nice to got to bed one night switch of the light and in the morning a brand new world but as long as this planet keeps turning we know that this will never happen only one man knows the truth and he wont show himself to us and if he did we would be in the mire.
- 14 September 2011 12:39126467i don't blame religion for the world's problems, warmongers will always find a reason, atheist states have been as unpleasant as religious ones over the years.
- 14 September 2011 23:55126544It's unfair to say the Christian Faith has been the cause of many wars. The first school I went to was run by the Army, and the school taught the Christian Faith with no particular allegiance to one Church.
All knowledge imparted by the teachers simply came from biblical accounts, and no child ever complained about it.
Maybe the difference between Catholic and Enlightened Churches tells many stories, such as beatings, throwing children downstairs and so forth, but this never took place in the schools I went to.
It's sad to read the experiences Keith and his fellow pupils went through at school, but Keith, the Bible does not teach that teachers should throw children downstairs.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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