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  I'm with Alexander on this one, what he says makes sense.
  
  Keith I feel you've completely gone off subject in your last few posts. The fact is that a lot (not all) of todays kids are not being taught by their parents what is right and wrong. With all the emphasis on childrens rights these days adults have a hard job to teach the things that we were in our young days. A clip round the ear from a teacher or a polceman kept us on our toes and taught us respect. These days the police are mocked and insulted by kids not long out of nappies. Then they turn round and tell you they know their rights!! I don't for one minute condone anything that physically hurts a child but without any guidance from our generation what chance do they have to learn the very basics of our civilisation. I could go on and on with this but I need sleep

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