Letter from a Reader about Western Heights.
- 25 June 2012 19:30179984Ok Alexander onto CRIMINAL DAMAGE......
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Been nice knowing you :) - 25 June 2012 19:33179987Need I go on?
The situation is getting worse and I lose count of the number of times I have reported break ins, damage, graffiti, criminal damage and even being SHOT AT to the police.
Do you really want this to continue until our heritage is lost, the Heights is a no go area because of indecent behavious that happens up there after dark? Do you really care about the future of the Heights ???????Been nice knowing you :) - 25 June 2012 19:53179989#1 - smashed 2 inch slate floors in the detached bastion 150 year old
#2 - Drop Redoubt covered in graffiti a couple of years back
#3 - vandal caught red handed.....
#4 - screws into the wall of the Drop Redoubt
#5 - smashed 150 year old masonery into the Drop Redoubt
#6 - recent smashed brickwork into the road tunnel - 4ft of 150 year old brickworkBeen nice knowing you :) - 25 June 2012 22:42180015With these photos one can talk of damage caused by people, but they weren't posted when I made the previous comment.
Of-course I haven't stated that I want such damage to go on. Perhaps some wardens could prevent it taking place. One would need to employ wardens for this.
Would also create employment, as well as reducing the costs of repairing damage.
Why has DDC not applied for funding for wardens to guard these areas?Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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26 June 2012 06:48180031are you volatering to police the area alex ?. - Keith Sansum1
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26 June 2012 07:30180035ALEXANDER;
I note every opportunity you get you blame D.D.C. for the problem, whlst they are at fault in a number of cases, in some of these instances there are a number of agencies that could make a differenceALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 26 June 2012 07:32180037Ah the good ol' EMPLOY people !!!! Perhaps these people can double up as the ones you suggest plant orchards up there as well
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Still you have no idea of how you are going to fund all these people you are going to give jobs
Been nice knowing you :) - Keith Sansum1
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26 June 2012 07:35180039scotchie
my very point about 50 posts ago lol
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 26 June 2012 09:41180064all the more reason for some controlled development in that area, vandals much prefer solitude when they carry out their acts.
- 26 June 2012 12:29180075Howard, it's unfortunate that you think building 700 houses in Farthingloe and 80 odd houses in Braddon will put an end to damage on former military sites on Western Heights.
How would these houses located in Farthingloe and in Braddon (there are houses in Braddon and in Knights Templars) prevent someone from damaging, say, the Drop Redoubt, or some stretch of wall in the moat?
If your logic were water-tight, then in theory the houses that are in Braddon and other neighbourhoods on W.H. would have already prevented acts of damage.
At the end of the day, the only way to control an area is by patrolling it. Building 700 houses in Farthingloe and 80+ in Braddon does not have this effect.
I tried figuring out how it could, and imagined a house flying from Farthingloe over the Drop Redoubt and chasing off a person intent on graffiti, and then frightening away two people from a remote stretch of moat a mile away...but alas...
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 26 June 2012 12:50180076Alexander - I still don't think you don't want to listen or understand or want to trip people up ???????
As stated rather a lot of times...... the developments by CGI will provide funding that would be allocated towards the heritage, which ideally would go to a charitable body that would be able to match grant fund the money to make a much larger pot that would spend on the heritage
This funding would then be spent on preserving, opening up, education, groundworks, landscaping, SECURITY, etc, etc to help secure the long term future of the Height.
Simples?? I don't think anyone else other than yourself Alexander can't grasp this information !!!Been nice knowing you :) - 26 June 2012 12:51180077Paul, planting orchards on Western Heights in a Scheduled National Monument was never actually an option, but perhaps along some stretches of hills further away, between Dover and Folkestone, and not only that stretch, but also along other ranges of hills around Dover (Whitfield, Guston, Buckland).
Also some fields for gardens, where people could learn to grow vegetables.
It is a community project, to evoke the interest of young people - and also people of any age - in the pleasures and delights of small-time agriculture. It is NOT a project that was intended for a Scheduled National Monument, or for the city of Hull, for that matter.
It could have also seen a few pounds coming in once the produce were sold, to the delight of young people with a few hours to spare while dedicating themselves, under expert guidance of local farmers, to a healthy service, while getting to know other like-minded people.
Yes, something to do with enjoying life, not actually crossing the battlefield with heavy rifle and bayonet levelled, drums beating and pipes sounding, hob-nailed boots marching...but enjoying nature and working in natural surroundings in our Garden of England.
Incidentally, in 2010 I made this proposal to the Dover Chamber of Commerce, and received a lovely reply from David Foley. He stated that he'd be contacting DDC on the matter, and hoped to bring it up at the next meeting with DDC.
I was really happy... told my mum...
But it all ended there, never heard anything again.
I suppose DDC had other plans for our natural surroundings, such as building tens of thousands of houses over the next few decades.
To think that the odd orchard and field here and there would have blended in nicely in the greenery, I'm not talking of thousands and thousands of such gardens in Dover or Hull?, just the odd one here and there, spread out over Dover District... possibly a few hundred or so....
It was just an idea, and would have seen young people and people of any age get together and enjoy some work in the fresh air, and reap some of the profits.
Possibly the extra tenner to add to JSA...something like that, nothing to do with rich Londoners relocating to Dover to a second house inside a National scheduled Momnument...
Lovely ideas that get clubbed down and trodden out, because they are not conform to perceived modern society, and whoever thought up such ...rubbish... as I did, really has no place in this modern society, after all I am not a rich Londoner in search of a weekend houseChanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 26 June 2012 13:21180083Excuse my whilst I pick myself off up the floor - at least your postings provide some entertainment in breaks from a stressful project at work
Been nice knowing you :) - 26 June 2012 13:42180086Alexander,
I'm a member of a group who are aiming to develop a community orchard - we have had considerable support from DDC and with their help are awaiting the results of a five figure grant application.
I can't tell you any more for various reasons until it is hopefully successful but it has been done by people who are prepared to put in the hard work on the detail needed for this sort of thing to come about. If it's successful I'm sure your practical help would be welcome. - Keith Sansum1
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26 June 2012 15:52180102ray
thatwas right between the eyes lol ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 26 June 2012 16:51180117Hello there, Ray.
Yes, in 2010 you informed me of the project, and I read about it somewhere recently too, can't remember where, possibly in a local newspaper. Well done
It's a shame that Paul finds other people's noble aspirations so ridiculous.
However, I never heard anymore from anyone after the initial proposal in 2010, presumably DDC didn't like it.
It would be interesting to know how you have planned the work.
In my idea, it would be all hand work, spade, hoe and rake, no machinery, except for the transport of plants/trees and tools to the location, and the use of transport to bring the crops to a whole-sale market or a local salad/fruit factory.
Digging deep holes at the right distance, planting trees, and then tending to them occasionally as they grow.
As for the idea of reaping a harvest of fruit and vegetables once they are ready, that could introduce young people to the idea of seasonal farm work at local farmers, something ideal for people seeking a job, or for students in search of the extra few hundred pounds cash...
It could also introduce young people to the idea of finding work in a food processing/packing factory, such as Tilmanstone Salads, for example.
The problem is, a few hundred such community sites in Dover District, which would be fractional in terms of territory, possibly involving 500 to 2,000 people, enters into conflict with big-time politics:
It COULD conflict with planned mass-housing estates in core strategies all over Kent on farm and green land, it could initiate a few thousand young people over a 5-10 year period in Dover district into trying their hand out in a local salad/veg factory in order to gain employment, at least to give the JSA a brake for 6 months or a year, possibly even longer.
It COULD upset EU policy on cheap labour employment in England to non-locals.
It COULD inspire some young people, or people of any age, to buy a plot of land at some stage and plant an orchard or a garden of their own accord, it COULD create an atmosphere of happiness, perhaps a maypole dance instead of a binge-drinking session Saturday evening, it could...conflict with many things that would be frowned upon by aspiring developers of a greater London suburb reaching the White Cliffs of Kent.
To my dismay, I found I had inadvertently bumped into big-time politics and risked messing it all up...risking making influential adversaries in the City...and at DDC
Never mind...
Have a good laugh, PaulChanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 26 June 2012 17:00180119No ridiculing the idea - fruit and veg just isn't relevant to the planning applications and saving the heritage which is what we are 'discussing'...
So how Alexander are you going to help ensure there heritage is there in another 200 years, with realistic and do-able ideas ??Been nice knowing you :) - Keith Sansum1
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26 June 2012 17:28180127paul scotchie
i did ask that as well some time agoALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 26 June 2012 17:32180128Likewise I have asked several times !!!Been nice knowing you :)
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26 June 2012 17:35180130I have tried to see his point of view, and get him to put his proposalsn the table
stil waiting,,,,,,,.,,,,ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
