Letter from a Reader about Western Heights.
- 27 June 2012 20:54180301alex
to put it bluntly there aint no dosh for such things, wccp don't even have a minibus anymore to take volunteers to work sites.
thanks brian, i will make posh aware of your comments. - Keith Sansum1
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27 June 2012 21:05180305ALEXANDER;
You appear to be of the opnion that magic money will come from somewhere and your attacks/thoughts appear to be on D.D.C.
Now if the council were even able to re direct its dosh to the western heights.
what would you cut back on to make this happen?
as mr watkins has said in the past DDC is more of an enabling council these days
so far from your proposals few as they are you have cost the tax payer a fortune lolALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 27 June 2012 21:18180309Howard and Keith,
quite frankly, no developer would give out the money to maintain the Western Heights Scheduled National Monument, which stretches miles: they wouldn't give the money to keep it maintained, guarded (against vandalism) and up to standard over the next 200 years, contrary to what Paul keeps stating.
IF a developer gave SOME money for Western Heights, it would possibly be enough just for a small area and some very limited works, and after 5 years a new development project for hundreds more houses would be required to get the next funding.
Within 50 years, there would need be 20,000 houses on W.H. to keep it permanently funded the way Paul suggests through developers.
And even that would be over a 50 year period, not 200 years as Paul reckons.
Because there is no dosh for these things, we should rather forget the military structures on Western Heights and just keep to the natural beauty of the area.
Sorry Paul, but Howard and Keith have explained it to you clearly: their is no money even for gardening, let alone very expensive masonry repairs to the tune of many tens of millions.
Tried to tell you this all along.
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27 June 2012 21:26180311ALEXANDER;
Whilst you might wish to misquote others on the forum, i realy don't wish to enter into a long drawn out tit for tat postings.
At no point have you raised a view as to how you feel the westrn heights could be financed should you wish on no developement ever come to anything.
Even with the developement any getting some of there dosh your correct it wont cover the whole area, but surely thats better than doing nothing isnt it??
If you have major alterative plans then i would love to hear them, and hope to be convinced.
planting a few trees, doing a bit of gardening, growing a few veggies, tidying a bit of an area up, wont solve the bigger problems the western heights has.ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 27 June 2012 23:01180317KEITH;
while Howard was expecting to be confronted by a Japanese soldier still wondering if the Emperor in Japan is holding talks with America on an end to all hostilities, I was wondering when some grass snake might creep out and say hallo, as I passed really close to high grass and brambles.
It's the more immediate concerns I'm interested in, and I'm sure Napoleon has long ago given up all thoughts of landing with a large host of regiments.
The dosh isn't there for these things, we must take it with humour and move on.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 28 June 2012 00:31180323Alexander - no-one else has a problem with the "concept" of a money coming from a limited development on the Heights, with the majority at Farthingloe (which very few people have any issues with including various people in 'Braddon'), that if sufficient could kick start lottery match funding, that will in turn allow restoration of the heritage, thus allowing it to become self sufficient and move into further restoration. Why can't you?
Sadly you don't seem to be able to hold a sensible discussion, you continual misquote things that I say to try and justify our own flaky arguments, and really don't want to listen to anything anyone says.
I really can't be a***d to play your silly games and I will no longer respond to any of your comments, no matter how much you try to stir. If anyone else wants a reasonable discussion I will converse with you
I (along with the other volunteers) will continue to concentrate on actually DOING something to protect the heritage including the work parties, looking at grant opportunites, Open Weekends, guided walks, talks, regular patrols and working with English Heritage towards an enhance management agreement with them. In the meantime I will be re-reading ALL of the CGI documentation and will shortly submit my own balanced comments to the planning application.
Slamming the door on a 'possible' solution to the long term preservation of the Heights before it barrly gets through the front gate really isn't the right thing to do and it deserves due consideration......Been nice knowing you :) - 28 June 2012 02:23180324Paul, it has been explained that the stately houses along Folkestone Road were expected to be bought up by respectable Londoners with the arrival of high speed rail at London Priory - I mean Dover Priory.
Instead, members of local government are now admitting that this did not come to be, that there plans were a myth, and past and present governments in London are being blamed, although the local mea culpa does seem left out of this. After all, it's always easier to blame the higher ranking government
Instead, it is emerging that houses in Dover have been halved and quartered into basement and attic compounds, with bed-swaps for people on different shifts (see Folkestone Road thread, Saxon Road thread).
Local councillors are now publicly admitting the expected arrival of well-to-do Londoners did not materialise.
The wealthy Londoners who are waiting to relocate to Dover to villas with ample garden on the limited White Cliffs is a fantasy, a myth. The dosh is not there. The economy is bust.
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 28 June 2012 02:37180325P.S.
I noticed that on the other forum, this thread is widely read and commented on.
It seems to have many readers, and many at the first meeting at Braddon asked me to send them the link to Dover Forum to follow it.
I haven't noticed the massive support you refer to for the CGI proposals on Farthingloe or Western Heights. You seem to be the only person who is so enthusiastic about it.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 28 June 2012 08:17180333In your own blinkered view.....Been nice knowing you :)
- 28 June 2012 08:23180334In all 47 pages of this, increasingly tiresome, thread there are three posting against and everyone else showing favour or open mindedness about the development. If your postings were taken out Alex it would come down to a few pages of sensible discussion. The only reason it is still going is that, no matter how many times people take the time to explain things to you, you dismiss the answers out of hand without ever offering any practical alternatives.Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour - 28 June 2012 08:37180337Chris - you are reflecting the frustrations I often feel perfectly in your last sentence.
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28 June 2012 09:04180342Chris you have summed up this thread perfectly-----------------------------------------------------------------------
I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
------------------------------------------------------------------- - 28 June 2012 10:37180347But guys and gals, your postings are invisible to Alexander, it is just me on my lonesome against the rest of the world
Been nice knowing you :) - Jan Higgins
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28 June 2012 10:58180354Paul, you have so much patience , I admit I would have given up ages ago. 
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I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
------------------------------------------------------------------- - 28 June 2012 12:13180362Thanks Jan. As people have seen I have stuck to my 'case' from page ONE of this thread
I am rather enjoying seeing what straw Alexander will grasp at next Been nice knowing you :) - Keith Sansum1
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28 June 2012 19:55180446PAUL SCOTCHIE;
I do understand fully your frustrations
and like you have said at previous postings, alexander makes his own case quite weak by not putting a good case forward.
but he does have a right to post whether we agree with his views or notALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 28 June 2012 20:03180450Absolutely no problem with Alexander posting as long as it isn't blatent lies without any basis, or misquoting me !!!Been nice knowing you :)
- Keith Sansum1
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28 June 2012 20:04180451I understand paul scotchieALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 28 June 2012 22:06180462As the National Trust are aiming at purchasing more of the White Cliffs of Dover, hopefully they will purchase areas within the immediate vicinity of the cliffs' edge, including the areas of Farthingloe.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 28 June 2012 22:39180467The section of cliff and cliff top that the NT wish to buy is on the Eastern side of the port, not the West. It is a 1350 metre section to the East of the Eastern Arm and will complete their ownership of the cliffs and cliff top between the Langdown steps and the South Foreland Lighthouse. I'm afraid that Hobbiton will not be on their shopping list.