Guest 656- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Terrific photo on our front page at present with the shaft of sunlight highlighting the recent fall of a part of the cliffs
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I didn't know any land at Farthingloe or the Western Heights was for sale
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Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
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thats a new one on me to.
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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Not as far as this planning application is involved.
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Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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its still not yet anyway,maybe in 2097.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Land on Western Heights and at Farthingloe may not be for sale in the present CGI application.
If the planning application receives approval, however, then the land that CGI own in these two areas, once they have planning approval, would be worth immensely more.
At this point, CGI would sell the land to developers who'd build houses, hotel and conference centre, or CGI would sell the land in lots directly to potential house owners and a potential hotel owner.
All depends on whether their planning application is approved by DDC Planning.
As stated, if DDC Planning approve the application, CGI's land on W.H. and Farthingloe will increase in financial value by many, many times, to then be sold.
For CGI it is a speculative operation, one that would bring them lots of financial gain.
To market their product, they must make believe that they are acting in the interests of Dover's population, in reality they are a private speculative financial group with a heavy bank-loan to pay off.
They have recently stopped trading as a share-company, it would seem, according to information online in public domain, owing to financial losses.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Paul Scotchie!
Is Folkestone Road part of the CGI planning application????????????
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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I do know that Braddon is in the immediate vicinity of the cliff's edge, with a wonderful sea-view. That is one area where CGI want to market their product.
I'll also go a step further, and suggest that the proposed WW memorial (unrelated to CGI with all I's dotted and T's crossed to the satisfaction of Paul S), if on the descending slope of the Grand Shaft Barracks area directly overlooking the sea, can ONLY be on the cliff's edge, and can ONLY be defined as being ON the White Cliffs of Dover.
In fact, because that area slopes downwards directly overlooking the sea, it IS on the cliff's edge, technically, geographically and geo-physically and whatever else one can use to describe a cliff top.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
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and theanswer is????
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i thought that the proposed memorial was likely to be on the old barracks site.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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quite true howard,thats the impression i get looking at the plans,very close to the grand shaft.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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The proposed National War Memorial is indeed suggested for the old barracks area and is designed to suggest an extension of the White Cliffs when seen from ferries etc.
I will not go into the enormous footfall such a memorial would generate for the town because most realise what a huge benefit that would be to both the businesses and heritage sites, others just refuse to understand as it would endanger their narrower visions.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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The area indicated for the proposed WW memorial slopes towards the sea, and can only be considered as on the White Cliffs.
There are no other hills or valleys yonder that slope!
This week's Dover Mercury has published a series of stunning letters from readers in Dover. The arguments they put forward are eye-opening and simply blow the top of Paul Scotchie's campaign to cement over the Western Heights.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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scaremongering alex,they are just picking up all the negatives and putting them in one basket,and what happend to the peoples letters who are for the development.probale deleated if e-mail and in the recycle bin if paper.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#954 - stop trying to wind me up Alexander and putting words into my mouth, I am not CAMPAIGNING for anything....
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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To be fair paul scotchie you are campaigning for a better western heights
how this is achieved many will have differing viewpoints
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Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Ok here is my own PERSONAL opinion on it all now that I have actually read all of the information available...... this is absolutely NOTHING to do with WHPS which is putting together a committee decision at present.
- I don't have any problems with Farthingloe, building will happen there sooner or later anyway with the constant expanding of Folkestone Road for the last 600 years or so.
- I don't have any problems in principal with the houses and hotels, but I have some reservations with regards some of the designs. Additional houses in the areas proposed won't damage the heritage and a precedent is already set with existing houses. It needs to be done sensitively.
THE BIG BUT...
- for me to be happy for it to happen and for the compromise to be successful, the benefits to the heritage must majorly outweigh the 'damage' that is done elsewhere. At the moment there isn't enough information on the guaranteed benefits to the heritage and how much money is available. I'd like to see up front investment in the heritage before the first sods are turned and not have to await completion and sale of properties.....
SO....
At the moment a lot more information need to be available before I can truely be for OR against the proposed developments...... I could still fall into either camp depending on the details....
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Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I'm sure Alexander will misquote the above to death, but I need to emphase that dependant on the details I can just as easily see myself being against it as well as for it.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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so thats a yes and a no then paul scotchie lol
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