Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,886
Thanks Dave.
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I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
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Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
- Posts: 2,096
I thought most Royal Charters were issued in perpetuity but maybe they are all individually set up.
Just out of interest, this is the Charter of the University of Kent in physical form -
And a
link to a pdf here if you can't read the original!
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
Thank you for that Mr Dav,That
helps my case. Mr Newsam,thank you also for showing that,please say I am sorry,but yet again I can not make tonights meeting,I am needed at the W hitfield one,but will try to get down after if not to late.
Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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Interesting tool this interweb!
DHBs website shows a picture of their Royal Charter
here, granted in 1606 by James I
The Privy Council list of
all Charters granted since the 13th century
available from here as an Excel file doesn't show it as far as I can see - has there been some skullduggery in the past?
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
- Posts: 8,115
Neil, in reference to your post 100, I have not got the faintest clue what you are on about.
I have never had a position on King Arthur, let alone a final one, nor ever used him in support of any argument against or for development. The rest of your paragraph is equally strange, with reference to Celtic half legend, disputed history on the early Church in England, Saxon Kings and about my name signed under articles not being my name.
So if I am not called Alexander. I suppose I'll have to present a photocopy of my ID documents now to probe I do exist under this name, from day 1 of birth! Strange, all very strange, Neil!
I've pasted the paragraph in question, and am wondering what legend you are creating, as this goes about as far as one would expect of DPPT anyway.
"Alexander, my apologies, I may be mistaken about your final position on King Arthur. I was remembering your argumentation on another thread on this very forum where you used the Arthurian Legend as a support of your argument against development, this was back in May and left me with an abiding impression. I also traced the blogs concerned and the general subject themes whilst being similar to yours (Celtic half legend, Disputed History on the early Church in England, early Saxon Kings) are not the same subject matter that you list above and the name they are signed with is different on each occasion and isn't your name."
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
calm down alex it's only a forum.
reading that bit from ray it seems that the port never had a royal charter in the first place which can only mean that it has to be sold off to the highest bidder.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Still haven't got further than post 100, Howard. Too stunned.
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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Alexander. I was apologising for saying that you believed in King Arthur and stating unambiguously that the blogs that I had thought were yours were not in fact yours. That whilst the material was of a similar nature, it was not the same and was signed by different people, neither of whom were you.
It seems that you cannot even accept an apology gracefully.
You did use the Arthurian legend and its connection to Dover on the Farthingloe thread in May as part of your argumentation against development. If you really cannot remember it I'm sure that I can find it in the forum and re-post it for you.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Please go ahead and do so, Neil. I have never used the Arthurian legend for Farthingloe nor for anywhere, for that matter.
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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"Alexander D
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The Arthurian legend, as handed down to us form many authors, some of whom unknown, is extremely interesting, as it has been presented in various forms, and gave inspiration to many great books in the 12-14th centuries, when Troubadores would travel from castle to castle in southern France, guests of the local baron, and recite their narrative, to the accompaniment of minstrels and actors.
The legend goes back to ancient Britain, and has been adapted in various cultures, including Spain, Italy and Germany, as well as France.
No-one knows the exact historic outline, but it may be suggested, that, as it has to do, at least in one popular version, with Celtic Britons verses Anglo-Saxons, that Dover may well have been a centre of the historical facts behind legend.
Horsa and his brother Henghis landed in Kent, and in Kent the first battles took place between Celts and Angles, whose leaders, Horsa and Henghis, were Jutes, kinsmen of the Angles.
Dover's particular version of the Arthurian legend, as presented by Lorraine, fits in perfectly with the beauty of Farthingloe, but what interest is that to developers?
They would just concrete it all up and cover the place with cement, burying Arthur and all under a developers urban concrete scheme, called Burlington estate."
As I said in my previous posts, the above left me with an abiding impression, an incorrect one, which I should not have used and for which I have apologised.
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,706
So yet again the thread is sidetracked away from validation or otherwise of statements purporting to be facts by the claims of being offended, as though we have a right not to be offended...
Many of the "facts" bandied around on here are easily refutable by some simple searching of the interwebs - it took me less than a minute to establish the cost per metre range for road tunnelling and only a few minutes more to find numerous examples of coupon rates at different maturities for corporate bonds thus enabling a simple demonstration of the viability of the proposed DPPT bond issue.
Likewise inter-modal links are easily searchable, returning huge numbers of links showing many people, not only port owners/managers or transport professionals are reviewing the viability of these.
The whole issue of the Royal Charter is easily followed up on the interwebs as Ray has shown and one doesn't have to look hard to find summaries of the various Port Acts, Port Revision Orders etc. that changed Dover's charter (and many other trust ports ones too).
I am not picking on any person in particular, I like a number of people am getting frustrated by the prevarication and obfuscation being shown by some.
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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No problem there then, Neil.
I did read this just now from your post 100:
"Representations that did not address the DHB proposals directly in relation to the criteria may not have delivered the message that the writer intended."
This may be the case, however my representation did address this particular subject, and on 15 August 2012 the DfT responded by informing me, among other things, that the issues I raised "will be taken into account when the decision is made on the transfer scheme proposed by Dover Harbour Board that would allow it to sell the port".
Ross, road tunneling varies enormously in cost depending on the type of material being bored through. Tunnels through the Alps cost, per metre, immensely more than a tunnel along Townwall St. would.
I recall 2 years ago when bringing this topic up on the forum about a tunnel, that David Hannent responded saying he had also considered it, including a cut and close tunnel, which would mean opening the road from the top, excavating the ground to make the tunnel, and then closing it.
Anyway, the Townwall St. tunnel proposal is mentioned in my rep. to the DfT as indicative of needed local regeneration.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Then you add in the cost of archaeology as that will be a HUGE cost a tunnel that length !
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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It'd be lovely to find some ancient archaeological artefacts there, Paul, and also under the DTIZ area.
The question is, was that area under water in ancient times, or was it part of the shore?
But an ancient Bronze Age - or Iron Age - boat, might well be there somewhere.
Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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Alex-clearly Neil was right about your allusion to the Arthurian legend and Farthingloe. Kindly acknowledge that you were totally wrong-Neil had the good grace to admit that he was plus an apology.
I don't see why you should blatantly just get away with this.
Never give up...
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Richard, this is becoming a storm in a teacup, the episode has been resolved.
Neil realised I have never attributed King Arthur to a person or time in history, nor presented him on my blogs, nor made mention of him as having resided at Farthingloe.
The reference in the Western Heights thread was in response to some questions asked regards Lorraine's presentation of the Arthurian legend, and I was trying to explain that the Arthurian legend has given rise to many writings during the Middle Ages in various countries.
I'm surprised Neil overlooked my Ivanhoe of Farthingloe legend, as I figured out that Ivanhoe must have passed through Farthingloe to cross the Channel and travel to Austria. If he came down the A2, which was the Olde Folkestone Road, he'd have passed right in front of the Manor of Farthigloe, but I forgot to mention it in my representation to DDC Planning.
Here's the link:
I'll admit it took some time to realise Neil had read different blogs which he thought were mine, and so I thought there was reference to me signing blog articles with different names.
OK, my apologies, Neil.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
Again this post has gone from the sale of our great port, to Ivanhoe riding pass Farthinglow on a horse,I think this is where I will stop posting on this,what will anyone just looking in for the first time think about us after reading this kind of rubbish,if this post is to carry on then it needs to step back.I do not think there is anymore to be said that has not already been said about the port or the sale of it,i just wait and see what happens,nothing you or I say now, will not change what the powers of be are going to do.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
Blimey this thread is going around the houses!!!!!!!(no we are not building any lol)
I do keep saying the only proposal on the table at this time is the D.H.B. is the only one, anything else is pie in the sky at this time until the cobbled together govt makes a decision.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
- Posts: 8,115
Vic, this is not a UKIP committee meeting
People have a right to get involved in discussions on the Port.
We all appreciate that you're happy with no decision being reached on the Port, but not everyone is happy with this situation.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
I don't share the view that nothing more to say and presuure can't be put on the decision makers.
And its always useful to read comments/information from others on all sides of the discussion.
You can of course make your own mind, and like all threads you can post or not it's a choice thing
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