howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i thought the minister's statement was up to interpretation keith, i may be wrong.
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"He intends to hold discussions with interested parties, to inform on-going work on how government, the port, its users, and the local community can best interact for the benefit of all."
I don't know him, it could be a genuine commitment from him or he could have been manoeuvred into this position but that statement above is positive news from DHB for people of Dover/Deal district.
I hope its genuine but if it is the other, then you can thank groups like the DPPT for bringing the pressure on the right people in the right manner.
Thanks Neil & team this is good news.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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heard whispers about the ministerial visit on monday but am confused by this report which infers that charlie is in favour of a community port as distinct from a people's port.
http://www.dover-express.co.uk/Dover-people-decide-town-s-future-referendum/story-20228283-detail/story.html#ixzz2lwObEJesGuest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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No need for confusion Howard - that's what a people's port is - one that is owned by its community - also known as a community port. PePod has a better ring to it though
Very happy with progress to date and hopefully all will see the Minister's decision in the not too distant future and be able to make up their own minds on it before being able to voice their decision in a District wide referendum. Our Town, Our Port, Our Future, Our Decision.
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You are living in a dream world the port will stay as it is safe within the Royal Charter
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Mr Vic, yes, so safe that it can be sold off anytime under the provisions of the Ports Act.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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neil
the term "community port" was coined by d.h.b. when dr bob was at the helm whilst "people's port" is a the arch rival.
we have already had a referendum that gave overwhelming support to the latter so i fail to see the need for it to be repeated.
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Mr Wiggins,you already would have lost your house if you done what you said "I will bet my house on winning and that Dover would be a p/p of Dover .So what you put on it this time.
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Mr Vic, I have laid everything on the line for this and, since December 2009, this entire process has been continuous, it hasn't stopped, we are still in the same process of determining the long term future of the port. So I've not lost it.
Howard, the referendum is not definitely on yet.
The one we had in 2011 was limited to the parish of Dover and was about rejecting the private equity sale as then proposed by DHB (who never referred to their offer as being a community port, only the £10m as being foundation to the Port of Dover Community Trust (which was not a community owned port or community port) as part of their private equity sale) and supporting a transfer of the port to community ownership instead.
The Minister and his officials, having heard at first hand from a variety of local interests and representatives, have returned to London to put all the pieces together and formulate what needs to happen with the port in order to deliver the things that I and many others in the town and district have been campaigning for for years. It would then be vital to ensure that the plan proposed by the Minister is acceptable to the majority of people in the District (bearing in mind the objections raised in the past by various people (Mr Vic included) about DPPT not being representative of the views of the majority, despite all the evidence that they are) and the best way to ascertain such approval for the plan is via a district wide referendum.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i take your point about the referendum question neil but in effect people were voting for or against the people's port in their own minds, i certainly was.
i have seen a couple of posters promoting the "community" port i cannot remember if they were before or after the referendum.
the minister seems to have spoken with all connected to the port or town it now remains to be decided who actually oversees the port's links to the town.
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Well said Mr Garstin you must have come over to our side in keeping the port Royal, to say that.
Keith Sansum1
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More confusion
it may well end up with DHB at the helm of some patched up community in name body
and to keep the peoples port on board have a few of there reps on the board/body
with govt support
not what the people want,,,,,
but likely
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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that thought crossed my mind keith, many permutations possible.
peter re; 931
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Keith/Howard, I think those of us on the DPPT board have a bit more grit and determination than that, and on Monday we told the Minister so.
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well lets see if my prediction is right
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It isn't.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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pray tell peter, you clearly have inside knowledge.
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I was at the meeting with the under-secretary of state on Monday, along with my fellow directors. No further comment on that subject. In 937 I was referring to our determination not to be fobbed off with a compromise. That's all. We have an objective that was articulated at the town hall meetings we all attended and we are sticking to that.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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thanks for thar mr garstin, i appreciate that confidentiality is paramount, the thing that strikes me most is that the department for transport could have flogged the port off a long while back and got revenue from the treasury, but they have put a lot of effort in an attempt to make our town a beneficiary of any largesse going.