Keith Sansum1
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oh dear
alexander i dont want to say your misguided
but your misguided lol
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iv read it all and the minister is just stating thanks for your letters(to everyone)
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I must agree with the above post,tolling our rds is nothing new ,they were going to do it years ago,but the Goverment know,what ever we do,over in France and in the EU will do the same,and that will mean our lorrys will have to end up paying more then the lorrys from over there,we are very small and if you look at the EU they have 100s more rds then we have so the UK companys will end up paying more. Sorry but all this think that the Goverment is on a one to one with all that send letters to them is also not right,we all get back letters from them,they are all the same with just your name on top.We all have done it over many years,and it is good we do,but please do not think that they will act on just one person and their letter.They going to make overseas drivers now pay from May £1000 per year to drive on our Rds,you wait and see now what our drivers will pay over there it will end up alot more in one way or the other.At is very time I am looking at a two page letter,with the heading Dear Vic,and it is sighed off by a party leader.I know he has not even seen it himself.
If it makes you feel better thinking you are on a one to one with members or a dept of Goverment thats Ok,but in the real world that is not so.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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As you know I would like the port of Dover to stay in the safe hands of the Royal Charter,worked by a D,H,B. I have send out letters talked at public meetings about ,to Mr Wiggins and the MP even been on Radio five,and the B,B,C TV news about it.If that was to happen and it does stay the way I would like to see it.I know for a fact that would not have happen because of anything I have said or done,it might happen if 15000 others have said it as well but not just because old Vic Matcham said it.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Vic, DPPT are on a one-to-one with various ministers and lords of various colours, and with financial institutions.
As for me, I limited my involvement to the Public Consultation.
From the start (March 2010) the DfT informed me my views were being taken into consideration.
As for tolls, Vic, please read my previous relevant posts on this which carry official statements from the DfT and a reference to the Chancellor George Osborne, as printed in the Press.
It will save you jumping to very long and erroneous conclusions, and save me repeating myself in a never-ending circle.
The DfT are looking into tolling, Vic, whether you like it or not.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I think alexanders last posting says it all
the peoples port body are on a one to one talking terms with ministers
where as alexanders just responded to the consultation
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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alex
kent county council sent proposals to the government some time back on road tolls, additionally i would think that organisations other than dppt are also having discussions with ministers and the department for transport.
Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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Just looked at page 3 of this thread-the same old stuff gets thrashed around apparently ad infinitum and nothing wiill be resolved until , inevitably the totally correct DPPT finally gets behind the desk at the Port of Dover...then Dover will be much more than a shadow of its former self-it will be a super town.
Kieth you apparently give us 2 choices-really there is no contest is there? Surely being on talking terms with ministers is an advantage? Then there's responding to a consultation-I know where I'd put my money.
Never give up...
Guest 658- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Ref post from Vic most lorries on the continent can run that sum up in less than a month. For example in France it costs 400 euros to run an 18ton rigid down to the Mont Blanc tunnel. It costs 168 euros to run the same vehicle from Aachen to Frankfurt in Germany.
beer the food of the gods
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Yep, Tom, been explaining this for about three years now: all lorries pay road tolls in most European countries, and tunnel tolls too, including the Mont Blanc (and not only). As do cars for that matter.
In fact tunnel tolls are very expensive in the Alps.
It's probably only Britain where no tolling is done.
Howard, I must have written that on the Forum a few times, including two years ago, that Kent County Council also started asking the Government to introduce a vehicle toll at Dover Port, about 1 year after my first representation, which was in Feb 2010.
In fact, KCC and I had contacts over this, in which they explained their position and how much they were suggesting be paid as a toll for cars, and I explained my position and proposals.
Practically we gave each other courage to continue asking the Government for a road toll at Dover Port.
But one difference is, my proposal also includes local regeneration.
As we can see from Vic's post, not everyone is aware that tolling is a major source of income in Europe, and some are misled to think that if we introduced a toll, we would be at "economic war" with Europe, with "counter-actions".
Totally misleading there, Vic. Very sad!
Guest 722- Registered: 23 Aug 2011
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There is already a toll on every vehicle and passenger traveling through dover docks. Lorry car or coach. The port tax. This is where Dhb gets its money from. that and berthing fees.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Andy, the existing DHB incomes have to remain.
But an added toll needs to be introduced to finance Town and District regeneration.
THIS IS MY MOST FINAL POST ON THE TOPIC! AMEN
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the proposed toll from kent county council was to cover road maintenance costs in the county as i understand it.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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say what you like but dr bob has always looked after the floral display outside harbour house even in february. the question is whether portco will do the same or just sell off harbour house.
Guest 868- Registered: 25 Jan 2013
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Alexander D wrote:Probably not, Howard. Tolling is a new idea the Government is considering introducing, as I've just pointed out above.
...and there was me thinking there was a Dartford Crossing aka the Highways Agency aka the Government has already had told for many years..... tolling is nothing new and nothing to do with your letters Alex
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Richard
that was my point
peoples port have the ear of the ministers
alexander just replies to consultation like anyone else
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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how do you know that others don't have the ear of ministers keith?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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going by alexanders posts
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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strange answer keith, how would alex know what bids have gone in?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Howard;
my point is
the peoples port is recognising by alexander as having the ears of ministers
and alexander says he just replies to consultations and doesnt need support
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i don't think you have been following this keith it is not a battle between neil and alex for control of the port. thus far only the d.h.b propsal. has been on the table so to speak. there must be many organisations champing at the bit to get their hands on the port.
only the government department would know who the various rivals are.
