howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#581
that appears to be what mr jenkins is saying john but if they have no money to chip in then it must be hot air.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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#582
Interesting to see what Neil has to say about this
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#583
neil has already proffered his opinion in that everything is in place for the government to turn it over to be community asset in the next year.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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#584
Thats my understanding Howard but:
"It is highly unlikely," he said. "There are no plans to apply for privatisation again."
And that means it will not become a people's port either, with Mr Jenkins saying he never could understand the benefits which those behind the People's Port Trust claimed their scheme would achieve.
Taken from the link.
Hopefully Neil can help out
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#585
The port will stay as it should do a royal port run by a D.H.B. IT WILL STAY IN THE ROYAL CHARTER,the port will as always be keep up todate and changes made when there is a need two.
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#586
The Minister for Shipping has told DHB that they must properly examine and consider ALL available options for their future ownership and governance. George Jenkins is clearly saying that DHB will not do what the Government says it should do, not willingly at least. The DHB does not need to apply for privatisation in order for there to be a change in the port's status, the Secretary of State has significant powers under existing legislation to make changes without the DHB's consent or cooperation if he chooses to do so. The Government has made it clear that the situation that exists today is not sustainable and cannot continue, so either the port will deliver the community and localism agenda with a community mutual model of ownership willingly and cooperatively through a renewed board, which by the end of May should have at least 5 new members, or the Secretary of State will have to use available powers to ensure the result that the Government desires.
As for George Jenkins not understanding the benefits that ownership brings to the owner of the port - oh dear.
I am certain that the cooperation route will be attempted first, but the George Jenkins interview in the Mercury is not a good start for this way forward. Maybe the attitude will shift when the new board members are in place.
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#587
Thanks Neil
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#588
indeed thanks for the clarification neil, that is my reading of the situation and also what mr hammond said.
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#589
Sounds like you now know that the port will never go the way of the p/p sell ,so you are jumping ship by saying it now can be done by NEW MEMBERS of the D.H.B I told both you and the MP many moons ago,that it will stay a royal port for ever and ever.Wecome to the real world better late then never.Mr Wiggins
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#590
Mr Vic. Re-read what I wrote. I have said nothing of the kind and am certainly NOT jumping ship.
Let me simplify - either the port will become a people's port in cooperation with a new DHB board or it will become a people's port without that cooperation through direct action by the Secretary of State. The Government will try cooperation first.
As I said to you many moons ago Mr Vic, if the current status were capable of delivering what is needed, then I would be happy if my campaign ended with privatisation rejected and the status quo maintained.
However, it is absolutely clear that the current status does not deliver what is needed, that the Government knows this and wants something different and that continued Trust Port status WILL result in yet another privatisation battle to be fought by another generation of Dovorians. You may be happy to leave our fight to the next generation when we could have won it once and for all today, I am not happy to do that and will see the port's future decided for the good of the communities of Dover and its surrounding area in this generation, for all generations.
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#591
Well said Neil.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#592
That is rubbish,we are fighting now to keep it a royal port and not handed over so you can BANKRUPT it in a few years time.And that is what you will do bankrubt the port,and you have said your self in the pass that your way is not 100%save,and when that happen there would be a bail out of the port,and we could see it go overseas,I never back away from a fight .
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#593
You talk well but that is all it is talk,the facts sir are the facts that the p/p could and would end in the port going bankrupt,Your plan would mean the port paying back over 300million pounds +% out of the small amount the port brings in at this time,and that amount is still going downwards.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#594
Vic - nothing is ever safe.
The present structure does nothing at all for Dover and will just ensure that the privatisation will happen in future under another regime when the People's Port is out of the way and forgotten.
The best hope for Dover town and the Port is The People's Port.
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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#595
Mr Vic, nothing is 100% safe is what I said to you. DPPT way will not bankrupt the port, however I accept that you believe that it will, no matter how ludicrous your contention may be, and that you wish to ensure that the generation that succeeds us has to fight another sell off proposal. You clearly believe that the best interests of Dovorians are served by having to fight off privatisation every decade or so and that as a result the town remains a downtrodden outsider to the wealth generated by what should be its greatest asset and best citizen. I know that you believe passionately and sincerely that what you say is in Dover's best interests. I disagree with you that what you are saying will, in fact, lead to Dover's best interests being served.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#596
I think both of you are backing away,with trying to have a foot in each camp so what ever way it goes you will look good,but alast the public are waking up to this and we will now see your plans and support going downwards.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#597
neil have you had any correspondence with the ports minister that indicates dppt have a foothold in the future of the port?
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#598
I can tell you that one big No.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#599
Nobody involved in the People's Port is backing away, Vic. Quite the reverse. But if you don't, this will turn into your political Frank Bruno.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#600
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i will wait for neil to answer the question addressed to him .