Keith Sansum1
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Theres so much dissasisfaction in the tory ranks
thats without trying to hold the co olition together
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Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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Apparently...
Never give up...
Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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Which way will Nadine jump?
Never give up...
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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one leg either side of the fence.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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would anyone benefit from having nadine dorries in their party, i doubt it?
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Cameron gives way as Lamont joins EU doubters.Flashman may allow Tory ministers to vote against
the Queen`s Speech in an extraordinary sign of party pressure he is feeling over Europe.
Tory ministers may be allowed to join the 100 plus rebels.
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Pension age change gave us enormous savings says Ossie.
Osborne risked the ire of pension groups as he praised the ``enormous`` sums of money his
decision to raise the state pension age had yielded.......at little cost in terms of government
popularity...........don`t think so sunshine.............
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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voting against his own queens speech????
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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so Cameron is a queen then kieth,thanks for the update.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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how can you give you govts stuff to the queen
and then allow your own govt to vote against it?
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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well the torys just have.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Realy cant get my head round that one
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Its called democracy Keith, people are allowed to vote as they see fit.
I understand that freedom of thought is a concept you struggle with
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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David
But surely the mouse would have democraticly put this to his party before ever going to the queen?
What this is being seen as is a cop out,
but now we are hearing the tory whips are in action
but up to 100 are to defy whip
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Keith, it seems you are so party blinkered you are unable to grasp that people within a party have different views.
The mouse, as you continuously refer to, is weak and useless, hence a large proportion of his party disagreeing with him.
Because you are so tribal it seems that you can't comprehend independent thought.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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David
I'm pleased you are so up to date wuth conservative disagreements,
I'm aware of the fall out of many of the mouse's proposals, and that the party is slowly tearing itself apart, and we agree the mouse is weak.
But the queens speech would have gone through the democratic route and agreed by the tory MP's
Its a bit of a turmoil should the mouse lose the vote.
Then what? he then doesn't have the support even of his own MP's how much weight does the queens speech hold if this happens?
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Utter nonsense Keith, all of it.
The PM makes a speech, some of his party MPs disagree. What do you want, a Soviet style stand firm behind the leader?
I really have no idea what your point is beyond your usual tribal gibberish.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Some of his MP's? over 100 you mean
with the outcome that the speech will probably be lost.
Therefore as these are the policies of the cobbled together govt, and dont have the support even of the cobbled togrther govt(let alone outside) surely then the mouse would be recognising support isnt there a new queen speech?
but what appears to be happening is the mouse continues to go blindly not budging
but hey david debates a wonderful thing,
but i suppose abuse is another way
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Keith, are you suggesting MPs should simply go along with the party leader, regardless of whether they agree?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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What im suggesting is how many times do you debate something to get the right answer?
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Keith you are simply going round in circles, you are not debating anything - what is the right answer?
This is a very straightforward situation, MPs dont agree with party policy, it happens all the time, its called democracy and freedom of speech.
The fact you are either incapable or unwilling to grasp that says more about you than Cameron.
For the umpteenth time, Cameron is weak and useless, plenty in his party agree with that and act accordingly, I really have no idea why you struggle with it.