Not quite sure of the validity of having all these lights. I thought as a planet, we were trying to save fuel. This huge amount of lighting (3 lights on each of 16 poles) is going to cost a fortune. For what?
I look forward to seeing the project finished and sincerely hope that it attracts hordes of visitors.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Not with low energy lighting it will be a lot less
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Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Another view, I think this will look quite nice finished and planted up
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Guest 663- Registered: 20 Mar 2008
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Yes it is begining to take shape as said will be nice to see it when all is finished.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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must get down and see the nearly end product.
should look great one the turf is down and flowers and shrubs planted.
Does anyone know if there is going to be ban on cycling on the new prom, or are we to be subjected to more dangerous moments from the serial law breakers?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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there was a cycle lane, i would imagine that the new regenerated promemade would have the same provision.
should be enough room for cyclists and pedestrians.
Guest 693- Registered: 12 Nov 2009
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The difference between the prom as it was and as it is now is the width. The new prom seems a lot narrower and I wonder if there will be a new cycle lane in place.
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Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Nice picture there Paul well done with that. Things are certainly coming along.
But with regards to the cycle lane. The cycle lane as indicated by the green 'flooring' never went through the main bit of prom. I will try and show you with a picture...the one I used recently to show the seafront at 6.30 in the evening...yes here we are...
If you see there, and the green is very faded now, and dusty with the building works and so on, but it ends roughly where the white Refreshment Van is. In fact the Refreshment Van is parked right smack dab in the middle of it, blocking the cycle path completely, so you can see how much respect there is for the cycle path idea. But 20 yards beyond the Refreshment Van it finishes anyway and the cyclists are turfed out onto the road. When Briony was small she used to cycle along it with me following behind on shankses pony, but naturally enough when we got to the point it ended right there prior to the main prom, I didnt turf her out onto the roadway. So in other words everyone carries on up through the busy prom regardless.
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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If anyone thinks a cycle path is bad then try Brighton promenade before you complain, now that was an eye opener.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Ian, a cycle path is okay, it's the cyclists who ride on pavements that are the problem.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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Can anyone else imagine what the cyclists are going to do with the nice new turfed ramps?
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
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Yes Chris, they will be surefire attraction to the BMX kids (including those adults who haven't grown up yet).
DT1- Location: Dover
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Yes I can imagine Chris, it will be great. Watching some of the more talented young people down there is really good. The ones that take it seriously (pads and all that) are generally very courteous and do some very skillfull 'tricks', don't tear up the grass or break things.
My kids are normally mesmerised by it all.
Guest 693- Registered: 12 Nov 2009
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Hmmm......£2m for a seafront BMX track that won't (naturally) put any other seafront users' noses out of joint. Good call.
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DT1- Location: Dover
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Not really a BMX track Andy, just a space for all users. I just think people down there on bikes make it more interesting, far more stimulating.
I think it's really good when all these groups have respect and can use a space in different ways. The amount of old people I have witnessed down the seafront who give young people a hard time because they don't use the space the way they do, is remarkable.
We always have debates on here about the fact 'there is nothing for young people to do' and here are some 'doing' something. Last year some of them provided a sponsored demonstration at the regatta of tricks they probably perfected on the seafront.
Guest 693- Registered: 12 Nov 2009
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Sorry to contradict, DT1, but there are facilities for young kids to enjoy themselves without resorting to destroying brand new facilities on the seafront that cost an arm and a leg, and imho should have been spent elsewhere in the town.
Pencester Gardens skateboard park, Whitfield Recreation Ground BMX track and excellent all-weather pitch to name but two, and I'm sure there's more around. Why should everything be geared up for providing facilities for kids to tear up? Why can't the seafront be a place of peace for all to enjoy instead of just bored teenagers?
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Guest 641- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Ian you're right, the cyclists on Brighton Prom are a law unto themselves, you take your life into your own hands when taking a stroll down the old prom, prom
DT1- Location: Dover
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Andy, I can totally understand it from your view but I think this is where we get it so wrong in small towns. I agree the money could have been spent elsewhere but as it has been spent on the seafront it should be truly 'public'.
I do think there is an element of people that abuse public space, eg: speeding up and down of breaking public property, but this should not have to result in legislation regarding such areas. Many of us detest this constant intervention on our liberties (like getting rid of scrums) yet we are happy to embrace such dictation when it is something we are not necessarily into ourselves. Such skilled bicycle pastimes weren't around when the promanade was first made, why not embrace them now? Most of these children are not breaking anything but merely 'enjoying' their seafront...albeit in a different way to one we know! As long as they respect the other users surely this is what we want, not brush them off to exist in isolation! Surely this is good for everyone and these kids are not bored, they are having fun in the surrounding of society.
I would hope that any designer worth engaging in such a project would realise this and make a robust proposal, many do. Look at how well the space under the Hayward gallery works along side the the southbank walk.
A kid in the countryside climbs a tree and this is seen as a accepted activity, watch what happens if they do the same in Pencester. We have very funny ideas surrounding public space in this country.
I was referring to 'grown-up' cyclists when I made the original comment. Kids on BMX's enjoying themselves, obeying the law, and not causing a problem for 'promenaders' is just about tolerable.
Let us not forget, a promenade is for promenading, not tearing rubber at others expense.
It never ceases to amaze me how considerate to other folks motorcyclists are, and how ignorant and selfish bicyclists are in comparison. In Dover they are a bigger threat to pedestrian safety than anything else I can think of, yet nothing is done to deal with the menace..
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