Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Ross.
So presumably you'd be ok if people that can do your job, cum from Eastern Europe and force down your wages then.
Or maybe you come from one of the Profession that have wage protection built in.
Middle class public sector maybe.
The people being displaced in these jobs are the poorest in UK society.
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
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Keith you seem perversely fixated on migration of EU workers, as EU citizens we all have freedom of movement and there is no reason that any UK citizen cannot move to another country to get work, as many construction workers did in the 80s.
I compete in my sector (private) with not only other EU citizens but also a significant number of Australians, Indians, New Zealanders, South Africans & US citizens who have valid work permits.
My day rate is related to the skills I have and their shortage or otherwise in the market place. Sometimes rates soften and we all take a haircut on our rates to keep our jobs, or to win work, at other times like now rates firm up due to skill shortages and we can all get better pay days. As a contractor if I do not work I am unable to meet my bills, so sometimes you take work at lower rates than you would like to ensure the creditors are kept from the door, but that is sadly how the world works in freelance project management.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith Bibby, one sometimes reads of offering jobs by principle to local people. It appeared in 2010 in Charlie's campaign (MP), forget exactly where, but possibly in reference to the Port.
It appears in DHB's latest submission (received a letter from DfT today informing me of said submission
), but it is essentially misleading propaganda.
The British Law does not allow any form of declared preference for local people over EU workers or over any person entitled to work in Britain, no matter where they come from, as it would be discrimination.
Any employer in Britain making such a declaration is in contempt of British Law.
At least, this is to the best of my knowledge.
I had an article printed in the Dover Mercury on this topic in 2010 with regards to Dover.
However, there are many employers in Britain, especially in factories offering the minimum wage, who out of principle recruit non British workers.
They get away with it.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Ross
UK citizens have never been given a say on free movement of labour.
In the seventies when voting on the common market,
Politician misled the public; there was no mention of invasion
And if I have a perversely fixated position on Defending democracy, and employment and wages for British workers, so be it
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Me too, Keith!
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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Invasion is a tad emotive n'est pas
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Mass immigration is the correct word.
Brian Dixon
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no a free market,it works both ways.the only reason us brits feel inposed on is that we are to lazy to get of our arses and move where the work is.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Keith.
Many people would work for that and do, it is about surviving on it that counts here. some people do not want to live, ten to a room, living on scraps and live a poor life.
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Guest 708- Registered: 22 Dec 2010
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I was at the Dover Marina Hotel sitting outside yesterday when a passer by had a few words to say to a employee about the TV clip shown, passer by was not happy at all, he didn't even come from this part.
Guest 756- Registered: 6 Jun 2012
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I am amazed at comments from people on this thread, when on another thread they admit to being economic migrants ( or their families) to Kent. The issue here is not only about pay, it also relates to conditions and expectations from the employer. I have family who have been employed in the hotel industry and have been appalled at the pressure to "skim" clean rooms, faiure to get a set number of rooms done in a shift leading to a slice of wage being witheld, regardless of the condition rooms have been left in. Before anyone says this is not a fair reflection of the trade, I could (but will not, as one relative is still employed at one such establishment) name some rather large chains who adopt this practice.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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All our families migrated to EastKent. My 25-times great-grandfather came to Canterbury in 1170.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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interesting piece of history peter, your 25 times great grandfather arrived here about the same time as an entertainer called roland played in the wind section up at the castle.
from wikipedia.
Roland the Farter (known in contemporary records as Roland le Fartere) was a medieval flatulist who lived in 12-century England. He held Hemingstone manor in Suffolk and 30 acres (120,000 m2) of land in return for his services as a jester for King Henry II. Each year he was obliged to perform "Unum saltum et siffletum et unum bumbulum" (one jump, one whistle, and one fart) for the King's court at Christmas.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Brian 48
The works all in Poland at the moment, massive Infrastructure building,
EU sponsored.
£80 a month there bringing in immigrant to do the work, the locals don't won't the work
When you going, very attractive package
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i have read about companies relocating to poland for cheap labour, trouble is the people over there are in better paid employment otherwise they would have moved here.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Mock ye not, lest ye be mocked.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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kieth,#54,go a week tomorrow 40 quid an hour.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Brian, I think you should realise that in eastern Europe, there is such a thing called high unemployment, and also something called low wages.
These two EU-defined factors cause many people from there to find work in Britain and in western Europe.
The problem is the EU system. Those who thrive on the EU, commissars and the like, MEPs, policy makers and regulators of the system: they are the ones who have messed up the economy of 27 countries.
Guest 656- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I can relate to what Ross says in #42 as in my household we are freelance workers not by choice I must add but that is the way it has to be now. Like Ross wages fluctuate from job to job but thats the way it is so one just has to accept it and get on with paying the bills etc.
I had to have some necessary work done to the house recently. The company I booked sent two workers out and both were Polish. They were very hard workers, looked smart, were extremely courtious and done a great job. I might add that yes they said they will return to Poland when they have made enough money to enable them to settle back there comfortably.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Colette B
And in the mean time you're going to carry on paying large tax, and the government is still borrowing billions to keep over 3 million unemployed British on benefits.
As the job market shrinks and people become more desperate political views will change, learn from the 1930, the have not's will not sit back, as the haves, party on
