Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Peter.
I worked 16 to 18 hour shifts, without a day off for nearly 3 months, to get our part of the channel tunnel open on time.
That does not reflect on what is happening today, many things have changed sinced then and none of them changes have been for the good of the worker.
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Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Howard.
It seems there are many youth that applied to that Hotel and never got a response, perhaps it is the management that are lazy and waiting for them to re-apply.
Trevor should remember that it was he or a member of his staff that employed the very people he is moaning about, had they done a better job of recruiting, he might not of had reason to blame our local youth on TV, for the reason of him employing imigrants?
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Guest 670- Registered: 23 Apr 2008
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I would like to add that I had a number of pubs in Dover and always employed young men between 20 - 30. They were all local men, some had been unemployed for a long time. They worked hard and long hours without protest and in return they were paid well above the minimum wage.
Ihad no need to employ immigrants the local man with his local knowledge was ideal.
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Some more Reality.......Breadline Britain...7 million adults just one bill away from disaster.
Almost 7 million `working adults are living in extreme financial stress,one small step from penury,dispite being in
``employment``and independent of state support.
The findings challenge Iain Duncan Smith who has been saying,for months and months,parents should get a job to ensure
their children are not brought up in poverty.????
As austerity bites,and there are still 90 % of deficit cuts still to come,people caught up in it,the families,are finding that being
in `work`is no guarantee of life without hardship.
People with jobs are going without food so their children can eat.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Immigrant workers are very much a reality especially in the hotel trade. most of the hotels in London when I have stayed there seemed to be staffed in recent years by particularly eastern Europeans...like Polish, Rumanians etc and all very pleasant enjoying the job and glad of the work. Its a fact of life that the core social industries in London and no doubt spreading outwards to local towns are manned by non-locals.
Its just a fact. Why it is for sure is hard to say...the hours are long and the wages are low. Immigrants are prepared to work seemingly for long hours at low pay. Much the same as featured in that TV programme a while back about farm workers. The local guys turned up for 2 days and then didnt go back, the work was too hard and the wages were too low, said they...it was all documented live on camera.
Kent County Council figures show unemployment in Thanet is 6.2% of the population, compared with the South East average of 2.6%.
Mr Paul Andrews a noted recruitment consultant said that his firm had 500 unfilled jobs available in Thanet on Monday...
"There are some people that don't want to do them. And then
there are some people that can't do them but do want to do them."
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Who did this work before the labour party opened the flood gats to all these
Cheep East European workers??
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the low wages here are good for the incomers as the money is saved up and sent back home.
many live 10 to a room for a year or two here and can buy a house cash down when they rerturn.
when the floodgates opened a polish bloke told me that working for 2 years in the docks meant he would be a millionaire when he returned home.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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When you advertise for staff you are looking for people who can follow instructions. Most organisations, in their advertising, will say that they need people with specific qualifications and experience, and prescribe a particular way to apply. If it says you need a driving license and you haven't passed your test, forget it. If it says apply by email and you stuff a handwritten cv through the letterbox, forget it. I'm not saying that's right or wrong, but it's the way we have always done it.
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Guest 670- Registered: 23 Apr 2008
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Are you saying, Peter, when you advertise you specifically request people who will work all the hours god made for next to nothing. I don't quite see the relevance of your post.
Ipersonally never advertised, my staff came from Jobcentre Plus and the only qualifications I required were honesty and an ability to communicate with people of all ages.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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If it was not for immigration then there would be more competition for staff and that would push up wages in the right way.
Dave1 - I have never advertised for staff either, or approached the Jobcentre. I used contacts and 'put the word out' to friends that I am looking for someone. My current administrator was recommended to me by a client and the previous one, before Alison, was an 'old client' I lost touch with who was put back in touch by a business contact. I always use word of mouth these days for just about everything, it who you know that really counts for a small business in particular.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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You can buy a house in Romania for £5000 these workers can set themselves up for life with around 3 years working in the UK; they spend very little in the UK
If you offered the same deal, equal bang for the bucks to local workers they would be scratching at the doors
The labour party have in fact financed the reconstruction of Eastern Europe on the back of the poor in the UK, forcing down wages.
Not one of you would be happy to go to work tomorrow for £6.19 ph
Guest 670- Registered: 23 Apr 2008
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You are absolutely right Barry but I preferred to deal with the Jobcentre for the simple reason I had pubs in Folkestone, Maidstone as well as Dover.
Keith I also agree with you, I required loyal hardworking people, I was certainly not interested in cheap labour and although i'm not in the least bit rascist, I preferred to give our own young men jobs.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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cannot argue with comments made by barry and keith b, it is all about driving wages down.
the minimum wage is universal so people in london have absolutely no chance of paying their rent/mortgage thus pushing them onto benefits to survive.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#30, where did that come from? My experiences with the jobcentre have been absolutely dire. I did not want people behind my bar with tattoos and piercings, greeting customers with ''Ello Mate". I did not want to interview people who were only turning up to protect their benefits. Like Barry, we always got our staff by word of mouth and paid them a fair wage. We gave the jobcentre a fair try but it was useless.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
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Horses for courses Peter
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
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I work in the City and commute every day, regularly work on the train (catching up with e-mails etc.) work evenings or weekends where needed to deliver to client expectations etc. Yes I get a good wage for it, but I didnt always.
One is either prepared to do what is necessary to earn a living or not, age is no definer of this, nor for that matter ethnicity
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Ross
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 711- Registered: 1 Mar 2011
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And from me Ross
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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You can buy a house in Romania for £5000 these workers can set themselves up for life with around 3 years working in the UK; they spend very little in the UK
If you offered the same deal, equal bang for the bucks to local workers they would be scratching at the doors
The labour party have in fact financed the reconstruction of Eastern Europe on the back of the poor in the UK, forcing down wages.
Not one of you would be happy to go to work tomorrow for £6.19 ph