Unregistered User
19 February 2011
10:5893289Who employs them!!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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19 February 2011
11:0193290any idea what the powers are that the ceo's have paul?
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19 February 2011
11:0893292They could do fixed penalties for litter & probably dog poo as well as traffic/parking management.
PCSO's could issue fixed penalties for a range of activities as well if the Chief Constable allowed.
All a matter of people getting their act together & using resources properly.
I'll leave it there at present, it is an ongoing debate that needs addressing.
Watty
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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19 February 2011
11:1193293I asked Ken Elmes recently what the police were doing about it, Paul, and he implied that they have bigger fish to fry and that prosecuting anti-social behaviour which does not involve criminal damage, drunkenness or violence was down to the district councils.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Unregistered User
19 February 2011
14:3393314Strange comment from Ken. He controls the PCSO's.
Surely the public don't want people dresssing up as police or police support who can't or won't act.
Watty
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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19 February 2011
15:5493327considering the large portion of dosh they get from our council tax, they don't seem to be providing much of a service.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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19 February 2011
16:4993335I was talking particularly about dog fouling, littering and cycling on footways. He confirmed that PCSO's powers were little more than taking names and addresses and working on the 'hearts and minds ' (my words not his) side of policing i.e. Community relations.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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19 February 2011
16:5393336PCSO,s get very good pay with no need to work over 40hrs aweek,I must have been in the wrong trade for the last 45years.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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19 February 2011
20:3193389it seems that the net result is that the problems mentioned in post 67 are not the responsibility of anyone.
maybe all agencies are busy sorting out the murders, assaults and armed robberies that happen every blue moon in dover?
Unregistered User
19 February 2011
20:3793391So let's pose the question again.
With KCC wardens, CEO'S & PCSO'S why cant we get action that combines enforcement.
Perhaps it is because they work for three different agencies.
So who is stopping progress?
Watty
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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19 February 2011
20:4393394hopefully i am not being simplistic here but it comes across to the person in the street that there are little empires not working together.
public money goes in to all of them but results are not forthcoming.
incidentally is the toilet situation sorted yet?
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19 February 2011
20:5193396Unregistered User
19 February 2011
20:5393397Your analysis is correct.
I hope the toilet situation is moving to an amicable solution.
DTC have made their position clear & I think we will follow their recommendations.
Watty
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19 February 2011
21:0193400howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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19 February 2011
21:0793402vic and paul
the whole thing is so frustrating to the majority who stick to the rules.
an example:
a big thing was made about pavement cycling, signs were put up and the police made one of their public relations statements along the lines of " we have asked the community what they want and we have responded".
we all laughed at the time and were proved correct.
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20 February 2011
07:4993442Vic, if all dogs were chipped and dna's taken when issued with a licence, then your recommendation could be carried out.
The ban on pavement cycling, especially in and around the Market Square and up Cannon Street/Biggin Street, could be acted upon if there was a Town Policeman, but with PCSOs not being able to issue fines etc. it's a waste of time - cars even drive up there (between 10.00 and 4pm) and of course, there's no one to stop them.
I've spoken to some people and the questions have already been raised, perhaps soon we may see a difference.
Roger
Brian Dixon
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20 February 2011
09:0393445by all accounts it sounds a right mess,if we had police and pcso patrols from say 7am to 10pm 7 days a week dealing with all public order offences with fixed penalty notices.repeat offenders peanaltys to be increased by 50% every time they offend untill they get the message.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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20 February 2011
10:5393456the truth is that the problems will get worse with even less police officers.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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20 February 2011
11:1693463Unless the powers of the PCSOs are increased.
Roger
20 February 2011
11:2193464Dear God no. Just hire more proper coppers.
