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8 November 2010
20:5079175Alright, sorry for misunderstanding you, Penny! My apologies!
Ross Miller
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8 November 2010
21:3679189scrounge (skrounj)
v. scrounged, scroung·ing, scroung·es Slang
v.tr.
1. To obtain (something) by begging or borrowing with no intention of reparation: scrounged a few dollars off my brother.
2. To obtain by salvaging or foraging; round up.
v.intr.
1. To seek to obtain something by begging or borrowing with no intention of reparation: scrounge for a cigarette.
2. To forage about in an effort to acquire something at no cost: scrounging around the kitchen for a late-night snack.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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8 November 2010
21:4679193When all is said and done, it turns out that every person needs something to live on, or to live off, and unemployment benefit is just about the minimum. May-be one could see things from the perspective of people who get so little money to live off, and ask ourselves if that is fair?
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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9 November 2010
07:3479213No-one fit to work should expect a lifestyle paid for by the taxpayer - if they do then they are indeed scroungers.
Those unemployed who genuinely want and look for work are not scroungers. When I refer to scrounging scumbags it is only the former I refer to not the latter. If the former will not work then they should lose all their benefits. They wont starve, they would change their attitudes.
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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9 November 2010
10:4179229Per my post #42 someone looking for work is implicitly intending to repay the state their benefits through the tax they will pay once they get a job and they cannot therefore be scroungers.
However those who have no intention of working and expect the state to support as though it is some inalienable right are scroungers and need to be rooted out and dealt with.
The sign of a civilized society is that we have safety nets to protect those who through no fault of theirs are unable to support/look after themselves, so people who are unable to work through real illness or disability should be supported, likewise those who have lost their jobs through no fault of theirs should likewise be assisted whilst they seek new work.
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9 November 2010
11:1579238A safetly net, not a way of life.
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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9 November 2010
11:4079240absolutely Barry
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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9 November 2010
11:4979243My proposal has been and remains that our Country needs to regimentalise the unemployed people willing to work, offering practical training, discipline, comradeship, and a sense of participation.
It is unrealistic to expect between 2,5 and 3 million people to suddenly get a full-time job.
Hense my proposal that the campaign be to offer training and part-time work for so many people, as this alone is realistic. People who get into part-time work can still work their way to full-time if they wish to. All this will not prevent people from finding full-time or well-paid work of their own accord, but it would be a practical solution for the millions of unemployed people who have no work at all!
Without a new approach from the State, nothing will change, and we will have in one year's time the same number or even more unemployed people.
It hasn't got anything to do with bolchevism as Jimmy suggested the other day, as the participants of practical training programmes would be volunteers.
It is the only way to offer willing people to the factories and farms in return for a fair wage, by actively training them in companies, and preferably making sure that groups of people from the same company get jobs together in the same place, so as to increase the sense of being a part of the team. However, the e.u. laws would have to be changed, otherwise all this what I am writing would lead to nothing, as it would imply that which is illegal and come under racial discrimination.
We have to decide at some point if we want to help our own people, or carry on having an employment market open to all and sundry from many countries.
If the latter situation remains, then we can forget helping the unemployed.
The democratic basis which I have chosen to obtain this is UKIP membership.
9 November 2010
12:3479247Alexander D,
You keep on about marching the unemployed millions into the factories (in hob nailed boots, presumably)?? just where are these factories?? and what exactly are they going to produce??
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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9 November 2010
13:0279250alex
the plan is to get people working in the local community, seems a better idea than trying to turn them into soldiers.
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9 November 2010
13:1679258Daft, plain daft, Alexander - truly a mindset from a totalitarian state.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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9 November 2010
13:3279262Where are these so-called jobs in the community? and if they exist why are they not being offered on the employment market/ Surely the local councils who are making people redundant will purely use this as a means of cheap labour.Secondly what happens to the wife and kids of a chap who simply refuses to take part in the scheme for whatever reason.Do they suffer as innocent parties?
Although the idea may sound worthwhile and vote catching I forsee a lot of pitfalls in it.My concerns are not with the bone idle but with the families of the bone idle who will eventually have to shoulder the lack of food,the unpaid rent etc the dirty school clothes and the taunts from their peers.
Marek
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9 November 2010
14:1879265Alexander D,
I like to think of myself as normal, but when I read your posts I begin to question my own assumptions???? Does any one else have that feeling reading Alexanders posts?????????????????????????
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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9 November 2010
16:0479278local authorities will use them as cheap labour, we have stacks of work in the area i live that could be done by them.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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9 November 2010
16:4679283Marek, thank you for joining in. Your common sense was needed here. In fact, on my part there is no intention whatsoever to penalise unemployed people who refuse to work by taking their benefits away or in any other way. It is only for volunteers.
Howard, I didn't specifically write that they have to be soldiers, only mentioned the idea of a form of training together in groups, comradeship, and may-be a little adventure like cross-country walking to cheer people up and keep fit. It would involve in situ training in factories, such as Tilmanstone Salads and the London Fancy box factory, and on farms, and aquainting the managers/owners of these factories and farms with disciplined and - in the mean-time trained - groups of people who otherwise would have been just signing on.
Barry, you don't need to come along and.
It would also involve training people in factory-work that doesn't exist anymore in Britain, including the texteile industry, in preparation of one day re-introducing small factories long gone to China.
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9 November 2010
16:4879284I would add to this that my mother and grand-mother worked in textile factories and on farms, it was the basic form of employment in villages and small towns.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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9 November 2010
16:5179285i cannot see that sort of manufacturing industry returning alex, once china and india finish with it, then the factories will be opened in african countries and south america.
there will always be a pool of desperately poor people around the world that the multi nationals can exploit.
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9 November 2010
16:5679288Watch this space, Howard! May will come, and people here will be happy to participate in new prospectives for the future. We have to think of our own people. A Council is not obliged to worry about other countries economic needs.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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9 November 2010
16:5779289Just to recapitulate, I will NEVER advocate taking peoples' benefits away, people cannot be left to die of hunger and cold!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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9 November 2010
16:5879290what are "other countries economic needs" to do with the council?