AndyPol- Registered: 28 Nov 2020
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Sue Nicholas wrote:Even on Christmas Day see post 220 you could not let it rest .Shame on you.Whats the expression “ He who casts the first stone “
And there was me thinking you wanted this post, you started hoping to get support for this man, to be kicked into the long grass?
no idea what being Christmas Day has to do with it either!
Shame works both ways.....
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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Christmas Day to me is being kind and thought full ?Maybe some people don’t appreciate the Christian ethos.Surely Christ forgave all sinners when he lay dying on the cross.Its always noticeable how people send Christmas cards and don’t bother to have a kind word at other times.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Sue Nicholas wrote:Christmas Day to me is being kind and thought full ?Maybe some people don’t appreciate the Christian ethos.Surely Christ forgave all sinners when he lay dying on the cross.Its always noticeable how people send Christmas cards and don’t bother to have a kind word at other times.
Well, you got a 'like' from the Cap'n. Last time this subject was mentioned on here, I seem to recall he was referring to Christians as 'god botherers'. Perhaps it a different ethos as far as Charlie is concerned.
AndyPol- Registered: 28 Nov 2020
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Please don't use religion to excuse or forgive sex offenders, there are enough clerics out there who have forgiven in the past to cover up sex scandals, so your argument ain't working with me, sorry.
Anyway, back to Mr Elphicke, I wonder how his Christmas was, oh yes, that's right, I don't care.
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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It’s how you interpret religion.Funnny how it’s the men on here that are so unforgiving.I would hope Charlie had good Christmas.
AndyPol- Registered: 28 Nov 2020
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I think you'll find people of ALL genders tend to not like/forgive/forget sex offenders.....
Yet again, as you have done several times in this thread, making assumptions about men?
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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All I do say Sue is ,
I cannot forget a sex offender , predator no matter what day of the year it is .
I might remind you although im happy to have my post quoted , there are a number of other posters who share Sthe same view on here which you declined to mention
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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Give it a rest.
AndyPol- Registered: 28 Nov 2020
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Sue Nicholas wrote:Give it a rest.
Really, when you started? Bet you wished you never started this thread? Unfortunately, as my daughter keeps pointing out to her "old" dad, views such as yours are outdated and whilst I totally agree in freedom of speech, and welcome all opinions, don't throw a fit when others don't agree!
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Sue Nicholas wrote:Give it a rest.
It's disturbing how so many hypocrites try to hide behind the shield of their 'religion' when their morals come into question. And equally disturbing how many of the same political hue are keen to take up cudgels on their behalf.
That blatant perjurer Aitken springs to mind. And then there's Prince Charles doing his best to protect that odious paedophile 'man of the cloth' Peter Ball.
I'm not suggesting that our Charlie played the religion card. He was a shameless liar so I doubt anyone whould have believed him anyway. No, he wielded a different type of power - that of the successful politician whose judgment and probity were meant to be trustworthy. Same devious motives though - how can I get some more sexual gratification, regardless of the consequences on the victim. And fortunately he tried it on with people strong enough to resist him.
Please don't preach or tell people to give it a rest. I don't think it does you any credit.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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I was a politician for twenty seven years and I got used to debate and arguement .Tell your Daughter even in my Young Days we had unsavoury people in our midst .I recall an American servicemen murdered one of the local girls where I lived back in the fifties.You are entitled to your views ,No I donot regret starting this subject.Maybe the football page gets tedious .For whatever reason a new subject is introduced .
It might be DDC ,KCC or DTC it’s called freedom of speech .We have a moderator on the forum I’m sure any offensive comments are with drawn .
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Sue Nicholas wrote:I was a politician for twenty seven years and I got used to debate and arguement .Tell your Daughter even in my Young Days we had unsavoury people in our midst .I recall an American servicemen murdered one of the local girls where I lived back in the fifties.You are entitled to your views ,No I donot regret starting this subject.Maybe the football page gets tedious .For whatever reason a new subject is introduced .
It might be DDC ,KCC or DTC it’s called freedom of speech .We have a moderator on the forum I’m sure any offensive comments are with drawn .
All of which has absolutely nothing to do with the point in question. And you're not the only person of a certain age with experience.
AndyPol- Registered: 28 Nov 2020
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As an experienced person, I'm sure you are aware of the Nolan principles and as such, openness is one of them? When you posted, it was clear in my opinion that you hoped to have many like minded people on here that would agree with you and think that our ex-MP should be given a chance to restart and he wasn't that bad compared to others. Unfortunately, you were wrong if that was your hope and I think it is obvious in my opinion that you are more supportive of him and admittance of that perceived bias if mentioned might have given you an easier time.
It is such a shame (but I do understand why) that so many of the personal details of those who provided character references were redacted in the court case, as I would assume that many in the local Dover community would be embarrassed, possibly even members of this forum?
Unfortunately for you, my daughter and her peers will change the political scene in the coming decades and views that some seem acceptable will be consigned to history. Although my daughter and I disagree on most things, your thread and your views expressed have bought our minds together and we do not think they are acceptable in today's society, especially your generalisation and presumption of men. You seem to have lots of examples that you can quote of men who seem to have clouded your view of such a gender?
However, whilst your views are offensive to me (and many others) they are not in their self, actually offensive, merely your opinion and as such in a free society, acceptable. The moderators are excellent and have removed offensive words in the past, normally due to the poster not realising that it is unacceptable anymore to state such things. I would not expect them to remove perfectly polite, but misjudged, comments as that would be censorship.
I agree with #231 that resulting in trying to use the time of year or religion to make people feel guilty does just lose you credibility in my opinion and telling people to "give it a rest" just seems desperate.
People of age and experience have so much they can give, but also have to accept that their views may / will or have already become outdated or unacceptable, and it is unfortunate that some can't see that.
On the plus side, this thread is a public record of views on this matter and readers can make up their own mind as to whether you or others are right or wrong, and many will simply make that assessment quietly without posting.
You might also make this post one of the longest in history, or at least run until he is truly a free man in approximately 10 years!
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I don't use my senior years as one on this forum , but just post opinions .
I do get it as iv said before Sue supports her party members , and in this case I presume ex members.
I also get it on the freedom of speech .
Of course Sue has that right.
But I don't think you will find many people in and around Dover being so forgiving of the predator
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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AndyPol wrote:
Unfortunately for you, my daughter and her peers will change the political scene in the coming decades and views that some seem acceptable will be consigned to history.
Yup. Got mad daughters myself who occasionally reduce me to tears of laughter over their earnest and humourless outage over things which don't affect them and don't matter.
Found myself unable to watch the excellent West Side Story tonight on TV when I discovered that all the white actors who played Puerto Ricans in West Side Story wore dark brown makeup so it was obviously waaaycist.
Further viewing was also ruined (I was going to watch the original of Around the World in 80 Days) when I discovered that the future Duchess of Argyll was just 15 when the future movie star David Niven got her pregnant while holidaying on the Isle of Wight, her furious father sending her to a London nursing home for a secret termination (see statutory rape).
He didn't mention THAT in 'The Moon's a Balloon'!
Perhaps the younger generation, who seem unable to decide if they are a boy or a girl or a wardrobe, might do better sorting out their own silly little self obsessed lives rather than passing judgement on the past and imagining that they would have thought differently if they had been there and then.
If they open their bedroom windows and listen very carefully, the sound they will hear is the greater proportion of humanity on all five continents laughing at them and their various 'issues'.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I'm not sure Bob what that has to do with Elphicke ,or are you saying what he did was fine ?
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AndyPol- Registered: 28 Nov 2020
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:I'm not sure Bob what that has to do with Elphicke ,or are you saying what he did was fine ?
Ignore him Keith, he's just trying to wind people up and make excuses in my opinion. As for my daughter, she has more integrity and understanding of the modern world in her little finger than others and thankfully, she is the future, not like some of the less educated on here.....
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Captain Haddock wrote:Yup. Got mad daughters myself who occasionally reduce me to tears of laughter over their earnest and humourless outage over things which don't affect them and don't matter.
Found myself unable to watch the excellent West Side Story tonight on TV when I discovered that all the white actors who played Puerto Ricans in West Side Story wore dark brown makeup so it was obviously waaaycist.
Further viewing was also ruined (I was going to watch the original of Around the World in 80 Days) when I discovered that the future Duchess of Argyll was just 15 when the future movie star David Niven got her pregnant while holidaying on the Isle of Wight, her furious father sending her to a London nursing home for a secret termination (see statutory rape).
He didn't mention THAT in 'The Moon's a Balloon'!
Perhaps the younger generation, who seem unable to decide if they are a boy or a girl or a wardrobe, might do better sorting out their own silly little self obsessed lives rather than passing judgement on the past and imagining that they would have thought differently if they had been there and then.
If they open their bedroom windows and listen very carefully, the sound they will hear is the greater proportion of humanity on all five continents laughing at them and their various 'issues'.
Deflection is often the weapon of choice on here. Yet still there are those reaching for the like icon like performing seals expecting a fish.
NHS in a mess with thousand of vacancies across all key sectors? I know - I'll blether on about diversity officers totally failing to understand that they might actually help to fill some of those badly needed vacancies.
Charlie - a hapless individual more concerned with his own advancement and gratification? Let's play the forgiveness card and forget all about deriding 'God botherers' when it suits my cause.
And here's an example of society's woes. David Niven allegedly committed statutory rape sometime in the last century. I won't say a thing about Prince Andrew chumming up to a convicted paedophile who was so frightened of the consequences of his own actions that he begged and was allowed to top himself in an American nick. His financial advice must have been of staggering value or was there another reason perhaps?
There are self-obsessed folk on here for sure. Like AndyPol I'm quite happy to laugh at their various 'issues'.
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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Sure I've read all that somewhere before?
For self obsessed read anti Brexit/Tory obsessed, or is that not obsession just facts Ray?
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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'silly little self obsessed lives'
Not my words, Reggie. I'll let the facts speak for themselves