Dover Pilot- Registered: 28 Jul 2018
- Posts: 346
Not much use to your typical E-scooterist who prefers the pavement
The Gov- Registered: 24 May 2020
- Posts: 151
The lines have gone. How much did this cost
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
And the sighs on the rd
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,931
As we can't find out if our county cllrs introduced and supported the scheme
Now the public has spoken
Hopefully they will challenge the costs
And report back
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The Gov- Registered: 24 May 2020
- Posts: 151
Ha Ha. Keith you should be on the stage ? good joke.
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Ido not think it was wrong to try it out it is the only way,and having found out it was not right for Dover they put it back to the way it was
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
At what cost .?
Weird Granny Slater
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 3,071
Cost? FFS does nobody on here actually read anything? This is government money handed out to advance its 'green' agenda. See post #22 for the link. And if that's too much trouble, here it is again. (It's long, but there are some nice pictures.)
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/2-billion-package-to-create-new-era-for-cycling-and-walking
(btw the money came from the magic money forest; you know, the one the government just found in your gardens)
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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If they can't report back gov
Don't vote for them
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Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,257
Weird Granny Slater wrote:
The question still stands, how much did the Dover debacle cost?
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
Yes the question has not been answered.
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 3,071
Well, perhaps you should ask KCC how much of the £1.6m it spent on this 'green' lane. If its accountant won't tell you, submit an FOI if you're serious.
Do let us know if you get a result.
Also, it might be worth asking what it'll do with the £6.4m it'll get if it spent the first £1.6m.
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Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,879
The sad thing is that the aborted daft Dover plan probably meant that somewhere that would have benefitted from the money missed out.
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Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,057
Vic Matcham wrote:Ido not think it was wrong to try it out it is the only way,and having found out it was not right for Dover they put it back to the way it was
I think Mr Matcham may have a point; as a government advisor quoted fairly recently "most ideas that seem bad are bad but great ideas also seem at first like bad ideas — otherwise someone would have already done them." This particular scheme had the advantage of being so bad that KCC (or whoever) paid workers to remove it again, thus doubling the Keynesian economic effect. The only downside was that, unlike the scheme to put money in the hands of outgoing county councillors, it fouled-up traffic flows for a time.
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 3,071
Jan Higgins wrote:The sad thing is that the aborted daft Dover plan probably meant that somewhere that would have benefitted from the money missed out.
The money is specific and targeted, JH, and can't be spent on any old thing. Projects must be in line with this broad objective: to 'boost greener, active transport'.
Examples are: 'Pop-up bike lanes with protected space for cycling, wider pavements, safer junctions, and cycle and bus-only corridors.'
There's a full £5 billion going that way.
Also worth reading this, which has some stuff on 'nudging' from the 'Behavioural Insights Team' (currently busy running covid PR):
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/918442/cycling-walking-investment-strategy.pdf'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,931
My point is
If the local councillors (in this case collor and Beresford were against the scheme when it was proposed the council wouldn't usually go ahead .
If we are saying officers went ahead with a project without the knowledge of the local councillors that's even worse
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 3,071
Button wrote:This particular scheme had the advantage of being so bad that KCC (or whoever) paid workers to remove it again, thus doubling the Keynesian economic effect.
Indeed, maybe KCC knew it would fail; the 'doubling' just helped it spend more of the £1.6m thrust upon it so it could then claim the next £6.4m. Calculated incompetence.
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Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,057
Given the green credentials and all, hopefully they re-cycled it. Boom-boom!
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 3,071
Yes, like the 'recycling' of plastics: disappears into a pit and encourages the production of more plastics.
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TheThinWhiteDuke- Registered: 7 Jul 2016
- Posts: 357
Have they moved (ahem, recycled) the plastic bollards to annoy another part of Kent yet?
How long until they paint over the Bus & Cycle Lane markings?
Will the parking spots by The Old Sorting Office be re-installed? (I can think of a couple of vehicles that will be missing them. I'm looking at you Dutch Post Office Double Wagon Artic and Property Agents' Advertising Wigwam On The Back Of A Tiny Flatbed (plus a couple of peeps who live opposite The Charlton Centre).
How long until someone gets pulled over in that lane by some traffic plod who didn't read the email
?