Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,879
On my trip to Morrisons this morning there and back not a bus or cycle in sight but chock-a-block with cars creeping along on Morrisons side.
Any councillor wanting my vote must be against this unnecessary ill thought out bus/cycle lane.
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Weird Granny Slater
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 3,071
It derives from this government 'initiative', which was all over the media in May. Don't you remember the cycle vouchers, and GPs 'prescribing' cycling as a cure-all?
Guidance will '
tell [my italics] councils to reallocate roadspace for significantly-increased numbers of cyclists and pedestrians. In towns and cities, some streets could become bike and bus-only while others remain available for motorists. More side streets could be closed to through traffic, to create low-traffic neighbourhoods and reduce rat-running while maintaining access for vehicles.'
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/2-billion-package-to-create-new-era-for-cycling-and-walking
Funding's in two phases, the first for 'temporary' pandemic projects, the second for longer-term projects. (The Dover scheme's a bit tardy to be in the first category, as the pandemic finished ages ago, and the epidemic was over in May.) KCC was allocated £1.6m for phase 1, and £6.4m for phase 2.
And, just for BD's attention, 'a further push is being made to encourage drivers to purchase an electric vehicle.' I'm certain the slaves in the DRC's cobalt mines will be happy our government's raising our 'environmental consciousness' to a higher level.
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,879
"More side streets could be closed to through traffic, to create low-traffic neighbourhoods and reduce rat-running while maintaining access for vehicles.'
Maybe they could close my road to reduce the rat-run that this new layout is already starting to create.
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Karlos- Location: Dover
- Registered: 1 Oct 2012
- Posts: 2,546
Bob Whysman
- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
- Posts: 1,938
Jan Higgins wrote:On my trip to Morrisons this morning there and back not a bus or cycle in sight but chock-a-block with cars creeping along on Morrisons side.
Any councillor wanting my vote must be against this unnecessary ill thought out bus/cycle lane.
You should have moved over for them Jan!
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Do nothing and nothing happens.
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- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,879
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Karlos- Location: Dover
- Registered: 1 Oct 2012
- Posts: 2,546
No surprise to find that on the 1st day there’s a problem on the A20, the traffic is backed up to Crabble Hill and up Green Lane towards Melbourne Avenue.
As well as the A2 being clogged up with lorries beyond Whitfield.
Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
- Posts: 614
Yet around 11am I drove from Whitfield to St James via Melbourne Avenue and Barton Road, then past the new bus lane, with no traffic hold-ups at all and nothing using the new lane at all!
Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,101
Interesting to see same problems happening in London. I believe 18 MTH 'experimental' zones can be set up without public consultation etc. Anybody know?
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
This has made it very hard for us to drive into the town it never has been easy and this has add to that
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 3,071
Captain Haddock wrote:Interesting to see same problems happening in London. I believe 18 MTH 'experimental' zones can be set up without public consultation etc. Anybody know?
The answer appears to be 'yes, they can'. See this, under 'Other considerations': only 'permanent' measures need prior consultation, not 'experimental' or 'temporary'. That's how I read it
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/reallocating-road-space-in-response-to-covid-19-statutory-guidance-for-local-authorities/traffic-management-act-2004-network-management-in-response-to-covid-19'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
The cycles now have more room the the cars and lorrys and many cycles do you see going down there only a few not even that at times
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
Some of you are lucky to be able to drive into Town.For some the Lock down has not been easy ..There are still many who cannot afford a car and the upkeep .Buses are the only option .
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,879
I agree buses are important for a lot of people but in Dover are no more important than any other means of transport.
But the minority users are being favoured by this unnecessary bus/cycle lane which has inconvenienced the majority.
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Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,706
Just wondering if this now means we will see enforcement action against people cycling on the pavement up London Road
Dont hold your breath
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Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
- Posts: 614
Don’t be silly Ross.
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
Some people enjoy cycling .My Granddaughters 6 and 9 very compete on roads .The whole family are keen cyclists .
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
Sue Nicholas wrote:Some people enjoy cycling .My Granddaughters 6 and 9 very compete on roads .The whole family are keen cyclists .
Great. I hope you will encourage them to stick to the roads and not use the footways. That is, of course, illegal.
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 3,071
Sue Nicholas wrote:Some of you are lucky to be able to drive into Town.
Some of us are lucky to be able to live here.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,879
In case you wondered why the Air Ambulance landed, I have just read this posted by a reliable friend. I will make no other comment at the moment except to say I hope the motorcyclist is ok and I feel for the car driver as probably not his/her fault.
"Just witnessed a motorcyclist get knocked off his bike opposite in the bus lane. He went straight into a car that was turning up Albert Road. While outside waiting for the ambulance we had car drivers going past leaning out their windows and shouting at him about how he deserved to crash because he had been driving round like an arsehole. What are people on. You never wish that sort of harm on anyone."
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