Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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the best way to reform the nhs would be back back to basics,with an experianced matron running the show,at least with the matron in charge providing she/he is on the shop floor so to speak and not stuck in a office all day,then any money could and can be spent where and when needed in the right places.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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in the p;ast it worked
not sure it would work these days
to many other interests
but all should go in the melting pot
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Actually, I have no problem with the Matron approach, and I do think that tendering out services in Thatchers day was the star of the rot, in combination with an intransigent union group. I was a hands on nurse back in those days and watched the cleaning services plummet following the changes. When the cleaners were part of the ward team and under the Matron (so to speak! oo-er!) they performed well and took a pride in their ward - it was "their" territory and Matrons smile worked wonders - as did her frown. We were clear that Thatcher, plus the unions determination to be difficult rather than strategic, spelled the end of the NHS even back then. We were proved right - standards have dropped like a stone since then despite all the safeguards and standards and procedures and groups set up to monitor things. All to no avail.
DT1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 15 Apr 2008
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I could not care about Thatcher in this situation, I actually care more about my mother more.
There's a wonderful paradox there.
Peter is absolutely right in his post, although it confirms no belief in a construct either private or public. Proving both are equally inept?
I wish to coin the phrase 'personal sector' - which is surely the subset of 'big society' ...although that could ultimately mean not using your lights or putting out your rubbish?
I understand the sentiment of both Peters and DTI s posts but until someone has cared 24 hours a day 7 days a week 365 days a year for another person , who may be in extreme pain , wandering , distressed , agresive , frail , incontinent, in need of complex skilled interventions and only sleeps intermitently for a few minutes each hour , they may not appreciate the full reasoning behind some of those decisions
To write off all of those who pass the care to others as morally bankrupt is a tadge harsh .
If both Peter and DTI have both done that given all the circumstances outlined above then I raise my hat to them as I think it is more than I could do .
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Not writing off individuals Sarah. If you read my post again I am referring to a society which is happy to wash its hands of their responsibilities.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Society is made up of individuals who make decisions Peter , it is not a seperate entity .
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Gosh Sarah you are beginning to sound like Maggie T!
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
And that suprises you ?
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Oh Matron.......
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
You appear to be mixing your Matriarchs Peter , which makes a change from me splitting my infinatives
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Sarah of course people can't be carers 24/7/365 but my disdain is towards those who put Granny in a home and then abdicate all responsibility, allowing situations such as the subject of this thread to arise.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
The family visited daily ,complained , raised concerns , provided evidence to the police and raised the alert . Im not sure what else they could have done ,
The poor lady concerned was too ill to be cared for at home . To some extent I understand what you mean but the Individuals who failed to deliver even basic care are the ones who are responsible for this situation .
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
health care for profit will always bother me especially as people expect better as they have paid their n.i and then shell out to a private company that has to put their shareholders first.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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howard
i think thats the issue with a lot of those opposed to the reforms
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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This whole thread proves that the appalling care standards we regularly see reported are not the sole preserve of the NHS. Who is responsible for regulating private nursing homes? It seems to me that if something like this can go on for so long without official action, someone somewhere has a few questions to answer.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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# 34.......I concur.......
And one of the frustrations is - as probably Sarah will bear out - many of us have been saying the same and trying to change the same for years. 25 and 30 years ago I met the same poor standards and societal prejudices about age and disability that we are seeing publicised now and which lead to the toleration of cruelty and bad practice. If we didn't as a society think it was ok to ignore elders and people with pain and disability it would not be as hard to tackle those practices that we are now publicly abhoring. We all bear some responsibility for undervaluing vulnerable people or people with disabilities and the people who support them, and the calibre of people that then get paid to support people and the prejudices that leads to.
Reg - the NHS and private sectors have the same challenges when it comes to standards. Open your eyes.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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BERN;
Think that last post a little strong but never mind,
There is no doubt both the N.H.S. and in some cases private care need reform
don't think theres any argument there
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