howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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An appauling situation , I believe that the manager was charged and found guilty under the Mental Capacity Act
Brian Dixon
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terrable situation,but as an after thought,would make a good side kick to osbourne.
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Where were her family in all this?
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Utterly downgrading! A society that does not care for the elderly and vulnerable would be worthless. We must see to it that willful neglect is outlawed.
There should definitely be more inspectors visiting care homes.
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A society in which people happily dispatch their old and vulnerable to the 'care' of strangers is already morally bankrupt and it doesn't matter whether the carers are public or private sector.
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Keith Sansum1
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peter thats a different argument
having done so and wif the costs involved expect far better than this
isn't bupa private?
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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kieth,yes bupa is private.another case of profit before care.might happen to the nhs if lansly gets his way.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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That's the very point of concern brian
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Nothing to do with profit before care and all about professional responsibility from what I can see. I am not defending private healthcare - it can do that for itself if it chooses - but there is something about professional responsibility and individual practice.
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As if tax avoidance wasn't enough by itself to help them profit and care at the same time...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/mar/17/nhs-shakeup-health-firms-tax-havensIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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All in it together so they say
in reality,,,,,,,,,,
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the first duty of any private company is to it's shareholders, bupa clearly follow this if the example is correct.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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now about scrapping these reforms,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Its not a public private arguement Remember the biggest scandal of this kind took place in a NHS elderly care unit. Run as a foundation Hospital under a Labour government.
The family where involved and their detailed evidence helped the prosecution. The ladies children where caught up in the post discharge planning chaos that often happens. They complained at the time to the nurses and the home but where fobbed off. They believed things would improve.
Thank you Sarah - a nice reminder to look at the detail and not allow personal/political blinkers to get in the way. Care, nursing and social support are emotive issues and best seen with clear sight.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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morning sarah
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Is it not then a 'focus' argument? With Labour it was targets before care which will have a great deal of overlap with private healthcare.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
To an extent Tom but I would probably define it down further than that to Where one human can look at another Human in pain and distress and walk away.
The reasons for that are many. The wrong people in the job , overtierdness , over work. Managerial presures , lack of skill , lack of funds , disintrest , callousness etc they can all come into play. None of them are acceptable.
Morning Keith. How are you ?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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im fine sarah,
it's all about also, what do you do about it,
for me the reforms still don't address the problems and looks like stabing in the dark not liking the N.H.S. and hoping that a new system will work with far higher private shareholder imput, looking again at profit first.
thats less of a problem in other business's but in OUR HEALTH it's not something we should play around with.
again i stress,,,, like all posters reform is required, it's what those outcomes contain.
bern; yep its looking across the whole issue nhs to!!!!!
sarah/all
im no more of a fan of labours proposals/past on the N.H.S. so have no axe to grind on a political front.
i can only raise my my views on the present lot making such decisions
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