Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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15 December 2010
20:1284824PaulW, looking on DDC Website under environment, the latest update I could figure out is as follows:
Air Quality
Detailed Assessment (NO2 Eastern Docks) November 2007
The report follows on from the Updating Screening Assessment (April 2006) which recommended a Detailed Assessment at the Port due to potential for exceedences of the hourly NO2 Objective.
This Air Quality Detailed Assessment report has evaluated nitrogen dioxide emissions within the Eastern Docks using modelling and monitoring data from the Eastern Docks monitoring site. There are some quite detailed analysis of episodes to establish the source apportionment.Conclusions in the report indicate that whilst there were exceedences of the annual mean objective and the hourly objective, these were not at locations representing relevant public exposure.
In view of this the Council do not have to declare further AQMAs in this area at this time. The report highlights that episodes can be entitrely affected by meteorological conditions and whilst in 2007 the number of exceedences may not breach the Objectives the situation can change from year to year.
It is recommended that monitoring continues at the eastern Docks site
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15 December 2010
20:1384825Vic, so Alex can send shoppers to Folkestone/Canterbury and you want them to shop in Dover.
Is Alex pursuing his own policies or yours?
I could go on about sustainable/green policies affecting transport , housing and energy consumption , the local economy etc.but he might blow a fuse and I don't think Forumites will thank us..
Watty
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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15 December 2010
20:1584827Alex,He is very good at turning words round,but we all do that at times ,please do not get upset,that is what they want you to be.just drop it.,you have said nothing wrong.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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15 December 2010
20:1684828Once again, Paul W, I have never stated that Dovorians should do their shopping in Folkestone and Canterbury, but have questioned your policies of trying to get people resident in Folkestone and Canterbury and else where to abandon their own shopping centres and drive to Dover to do their shopping.
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15 December 2010
20:1784829I personally like whippets Howard,
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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15 December 2010
20:2384830PaulW, may-be you should try answering regards the concerns of some forumites about polluition in Dover, instead of advocating that Alexander has been preaching that the people of Dover should do their shopping elsewhere. I do not think that anyone seriously believes what you have just stated.
It is evident that my opinion is that each town has enough shops and supermarkets FOR THEIR OWN residents.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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15 December 2010
20:2984832paul
wonderful when the threads get surreal, always had you down as a beagle man.
alex
we have a growing number of visitors year on year, i see it in town from spring to autumn mainly.
we need them to buy things in order to grow.
also i might add that since marks in folkestone closed, people from that benighted town and surrounds enter dover to use our branch.
Guest 644- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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15 December 2010
20:3284834Slightly leftfield (as I can't be bothered with the political bickering), but the air quality in Dover is surprisingly good. The evidence for this comes from lichens; the trees on the hills at Aycliffe have numerous types of lichen thriving on them. Lichens only tend to grow if atmospheric conditions are clean, the fact that they are there is a positive environmental indicator.
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15 December 2010
20:3384835Alex, I refer you to posting 104
Try DDC website LDF Core Strategy , numerous references to sustainability. Bus rapid transport system , rail travel, cycle path route thru. Dover Town Centre.Building code standards that deal with energy emissions. Could go on but you can do your own research. Frankly I don't have the time.
Try Talking to Brian Gibson at DDC or emailing him.
Watty
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15 December 2010
20:3784838Howard, the Folkestone M&S manager was my neighbour. Managed both stores i.e. Dover & Folkestone at the time.
Watty
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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15 December 2010
20:3984839Alright, my view is that people are free to do their shopping where they wish, and I feel that we in Dover have enough stores for shoppers, and that neighbouring towns also have plenty there-of.
My idea of local interests is reciprocal, hence it should not be up to a District Council to make a policy of taking customers from one town and attracting them to another. This does not come under free-market ideals, as in theory one could suggest that DDC is ruining the local economy of neighbouring towns. The free market system of shops and stores is supposed to be self-regulating.
Let's leave the question on pollution in Dover to further developments, as there are forumites who feel that the pollution levels are too high and dangerous to our health, me included.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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15 December 2010
20:4084841Mr Watkins, again what about what you said over the sell of the port ,am I right in saying it was your party that told you to tell the voters of Dover"Sell the port" and you did not want to at that time,But you done what you was told,but after it all went wrong,you told your own party that you would not stand again.YES or No.
The public of Dover shop in other towns only for two things only(1)They can not get what they want in Dover(2)The cost of fuel, if you have to go to Canterbury to fill up because it cost alot less per lte than in Dover,then you shop there as well, And please do not tell me Mr Walkins that you do all your own shoping in Deal.
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15 December 2010
21:0484851Vic, I stood down for numerous reasons none of which you infer.
Try age, lifestyle, the impotency of Westminster MP's role and enjoyment and realisation that being a District Council Leader can shape local policy for the future, even if results are not instantaineous.
The Port of Dover sale would have delivered the total sale proceeds to Dover [agreed by Shadow Chancellor]to deal with road infrastructure and Town improvement. [Barry W will confirm above]
That's history. All major parties will do the same ,this time without the total benefits for Dover.
As for my shopping habits, they vary according to my needs and I share my trade around but 5 days out of 7 my wife does her fresh food shopping in Deal.
Hope that helps you.
That's all my personal lifestyle I am going to divulge.
Watty
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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15 December 2010
21:0684852you ukip chaps certainly know how to go for the throat.
not often i feel sorry for paul the fuhrer but i bet he is hiding in the back room right now with the lights turned off and the curtains drawn.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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15 December 2010
21:0884854actually i remember asking paul why he stepped down as candidate, he said that he would prefer to spend more time with his grandchildren also that he was more effective as ddc leader than as an honourable member.
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15 December 2010
21:1084855Not at all Howard.
Why should I be?
I'm quite happy to state the above. They were and are my choices.
Thank you for your concerns
Watty
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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15 December 2010
21:1584858pleae paul, i am the sarcasm expert on here.
only room for one.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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15 December 2010
21:3784863I also shop in DEAL and eat at times. But I also do the same in Dover,and Canterbury.
15 December 2010
23:2584886Brian Gibson is the designated technical officer. he has not dealt with housing issues associated with air quality at aycliffe if we crack any of our down stairs windows and polish and dust the room within 2 hours you have to do it again as the dust from the brake linings from the lorries cars and coaches going to the docks is unbearable we ask DDC way back when the A 20 was coming that we have double glazing in all houses along side the A 20 and they said you get what you got we did have 2nd Glazing up stairs but when it fell out due to lack of maintenance we have had nothing for the past 12 years and yet people who live a distance away from the Euro-Train Line all got Double Glazing, and we are only feet away from a double carriageway with lorries passing day and night and NO one has ever come on to this estate to do Pollution readings or noise levels.And yes it has caused a health Prob.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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16 December 2010
00:0484892Phil, the air quality in Dover is surprisingly good if one is far enough away from a busy road, which includes the likes of Barton Road, and may-be if a fair wind is blowing to freshen the air.
Alan, I tried DDC website/environment and came to the conclusion that the emission controls were carried out at Eastern Docks, over the years, and that DDC concluded in 2005 to wait and see what would become of a European law on carbon emissions. I suppose you could ask them why no controls were carried out in the Aycliffe area, or along Townwall Strret, or even in Market Square for that matter, or at Gateway.
Dust from traffic is not dust from sand or fields, and is made up of many fine particles of chemical pollution. You have a good case, considering your post here, to take the issue further, as that what you see deposited on the windows or inside the house, is also deposited in your lungs! Being chemical, it is extremely dangerous, and in constant doses at high levels, well yes, poisonous.
However, judging by DDC's website information, even the pollution levels at Eastern Docks seem nothing to worry about! But with on average 8,000 lorries a day passing to and fro in Eastern Docks and strteaming up and down Townwall and Snargate Streets, and past Aycliffe, I think it's high time that the issue be addressed, publicly!
This includes commuter and other traffic passing through other parts of Dover. Including Tower Hamlets at rush hour: it's awful! And many children have to walk there to school or back home.
We are talking here of health standards that the public have to put up with, and my impression is that the DDC Councillors have neglected the whole issue, and made more plans and projects for ever more traffic to come into Dover.
Personally I fully disagree with the idea that Dover has to become Scarborough Fair on a daily basis in order to attract shoppers, in order to prosper. And to be quite truthful, the majority of people in a town do not see any of the profits coming from super-markets and shops. Growth in Dover does not and cannot derive from an over-blated shopping scheme for all and sundry to come here and shop.
I went to Folkestone last month, saw that the town has many shops, and know that Canterbury has many shops - and large ones, and ask myself when this will all end with these constant schemes to transform Dover into an oriental bazar for everyone to come here and do their shopping!
I mean: DTIZ, Whitfield, thousands of new houses, shopping lanes, shops, and allegedly this ''will make Dover prosper''! Hows about a few more farms in Whitfield, a few textile factories in Dover, and a shoe factory, for instance? And a toothpaste factory! The list could become long. But always this attracting 'footfall' to Dover, cruise liners, cars, cars , cars, as if we didn't have enough as it is with the car-ferries and ten thousand cars a day rolling off them!
Lets start considering alternatives for achieving economic prosperity, and also with an eye on our health, and the air we breathe.