howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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15 December 2010
13:5684749#101
that is my understanding alan, saw an article on it about 5 years back.
maybe ed connell our resident sea dog could fill us in.
back in the days of speed ferries i commented on here that their vessels seemed to emit rather a lot of fumes.
next day i got an e mail from them threatening me with all sorts.
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15 December 2010
15:5884762#102
Very interesting post Lesley..and glad to see there is someone else who sees some merit in the EU.
Yes you are right about the poor air quality down here on the seafront. Often talked about and discussed. Although one time at a Neighbourhood Forum meeting on the subject of Air Quality, the panel of guys meeting the public said all was fine, we had nothing to worry about. Nobody at all believed the chap spouting this line I can tell you.
AS an example of poor air quality, the powers that be tried growing trees down here beside the main road. Put in some excellent looking saplings all along Townwall St they did, and in no time at all a few were dead, and some time later all were dead. In summer on certain days you can cut the diesel in the air with a knife. Not much fun.
Howard yes I got some severe treatment from Speed Ferries too. We showed pictures of their vessel splurting out black thick foul smoke and they didnt like it one bit.
15 December 2010
16:1184764#103
Yes, I noticed that many of the trees are dead or dying along the A20 corridor in Dover. One fell over recently in Snargate Street, and it was left for some time before being cleared away. Insofar as the response from the ferry companies is concerned, it is not really a surprise. With any large business the primary focus is on profits and the dividends for the shareholders.
Corporations (and Governments as the lapdog of corporations) will not spend money on cleaning up their act unless forced to do so. Environmentalism is, after all, a zero-benefit cost to the company.
I am glad that you have both written to the ferry companies; it's important to put pressure on them and not kow-tow to their bully boy tactics.
It will be interesting to see whether DDC will insist on action from the ferry companies about the unacceptable level of pollution caused by their ferries (sulphur dioxide). They should also be taking up the issue of traffic pollution with the Dover Harbour Board, namely the traffic congestion (particulate matter). The people of Dover are compromising their health for the benefit of these companies despite the legislation laid down by the EU
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15 December 2010
19:1084796#104
Lesley DDC do monitor the pollution levels.
There are three monitoring points.
Brian Gibson is the designated tecnical officer.
Shipping emissions are dealt with by international treaty. We approach this via the EU and a local channel grouping consortia.
Vehicle emissions are different.
We check the levels with the local Public Health Medical staff and ask for evidence of local illness factors that can be attributed to emissions. To date nothing.
Part of DDC's submission on DHB privatisation dealt with air quality and the need for investment in the T2 development and bifurcation of routes into Dover, reducing traffic along A20 to the Eastern docks.
It also dealt with housing issues associated with air quality and relocation proposals.
Hope this helps.
Watty
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15 December 2010
19:1384797#105
It would be interesting to see DDC posting on here to explain, but I can't see the Councillors doing this. Yes I also once sent in a proposal to a neighbourhood forum on toxic gas emissions in Barton Road and Frith Road, with an explanation that there are many schools in that area, but never heard of 'em since!
To be quite honest, I never thought anything of Paul W and Roger's plans to attract 'footfall' to Dover from outlying areas of Dover District and from neighbouring Districts in order that more people do their shopping in Dover rather than in their own area. Such 'footfall' has rather to do with more cars streaming into limited Dover, and reaaly I thought that the Disitrict Council should have a constitutional policy to assure that shopping is distributed all over the District (yes, Distric) and not centred in one poor Town called Dover.
I also doubt that Kent County would approve of one District Council building supermarkets galore in order to attract shoppers from other districts where there are already supermarkets and shops in plenty. As for the air we breathe, and all the extra traffic coming in, surely this can't be right!
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15 December 2010
19:2884798#106
So UKIP policy according to Alex D is not to shop in Dover Town Centre.
They'll love you Alex.
Watty
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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15 December 2010
19:3484800#107
i think that might just be alex's policy not the official line.
the more people coming into town is what shopkeepers and shoppers are looking for.
the real problem with emissions comes from the port bound traffic and the ferries.
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15 December 2010
19:3584803#108
Paul, I wrote here as a forumite, and did not mention UKIP. Now may-be you would like to explain something about the pollution levels here in Dover, and why you want at all costs to attract more and more cars over to Dover for people to do their shopping here rather than in Folkestone, Canterbury, or from other areas of Dover District.
You might find that it is not actually a recommended Council policy.
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15 December 2010
19:3584804#109
Mr Watkins,that is not what Alex means,and you know it,Ukip and myself as the chairman in Dover wecome all new shops to the Town centre,and as a member of the LRF, I hope to help in doing that,Dover needs more shops so does Deal,all seaside towns are having a very hard time of thing right now,that is where your own Cllr was doing well till he lost the job.There is a place for Roger in the town but he needs more support from yourselfs with funding.I rest my case.Again sell off some of the paintings that are locked away and that would give him fundings for some years and also be a big help to the town centre,more then what the paintings are doing at this time.Just going back to the UKIP Leafletswhich i agree with the wordingis,"At local level,we in UKIP are effectively indepentent and can therefore put forward your views instead of having them"Shot down "by the party machine.I think that says it all Mr Watkins.
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15 December 2010
19:4584807#110
Unfortunately PaulW saw no reason to do any explaining concerning pollution in Dover.
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15 December 2010
19:4584808#111
As District Council policy formation is my role, I might just know a little about it.
Go onto the DDC website Alex and research it, you are way offbeam.
Vic is nearer to it than you.
Perhaps you are in the wrong party if you disagree with UKIP local policy.
Watty
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15 December 2010
19:4784809#112
You are right there, Howard, it is my policy.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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15 December 2010
19:4984810#113
Please go back to my last post and see what I have added thank you.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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15 December 2010
19:5384812#114
alex
the fuhrer gave a fairly comprehensive resume in post 104 in response to lesley.
vic
any council that flogs off it's heritage to pay for short term gains would never be forgiven by the public.
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15 December 2010
19:5584814#115
So there you are on the doorstep Vic, giving your policy and Alex is next door canvassing for UKIP giving his policy which does not match yours.
Very confusing for the public.
You are encouraging people to shop in Dover and Alex is sending them to Folkestone and Canterbury. That's green and sustainable.
Watty
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15 December 2010
19:5884815#116
They are only good if they use them ,and who is saying it would only be short term gains far from it,it would be for avery long term gain,
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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15 December 2010
20:0184817#117
Again your are picking out words,but i am the one standing so that is all that matters,shell we go back afew years when you said "Sell the port,but it was not you was it,you did not want to say that then,but your party told you to.
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15 December 2010
20:0684820#118
12 hours to go still no Tory,UKIP or Liberal leaflets,obviously don't want my vote!They weren't going to get it anyway!
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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15 December 2010
20:0884821#119
you can be such a bitch at time john, go on vote for vic, he has worked his wotsits off.
as a good socialist surely you must back the underdog over the running dogs of capitalism?
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15 December 2010
20:1084823#120
Paul W, I have NOT encouraged people of Dover to do their shopping in Folkestone and Canterbury, but asked why DDC have a policy of inviting people from these and other areas to drive to Dover and shop here. You have deliberately turned my words upside down.