Guest 943- Registered: 15 May 2013
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Hi Martin,hope I haven't offended you...My problem is,I am a Sagittarian.
John Buckley
- Registered: 6 Oct 2013
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Whilst I should probably let sleeping dogs lie, I have to admit that I`m still not particularly happy with the way certain people on this thread have, in my opinion, misconstrued completely the meaning of what I mentioned earlier.
Looking back at my previous post(s), as far as I can ascertain, the problem seems to be surrounding my use of the word "foreign" for the author of the poll in question and the way that I personally see things regarding people who are born here but have parents of a different nationality.
Of course this particular guy is "English". That is the legal standpoint. But what I would ask forum members to try and understand is that, whatever the legalities of the situation are, we are, at the end of the day, all products of our parents. Because this chap happens to be apparently half Indian then because I put forward these thoughts for consideration I, of course, must be "racist"! Which I hasten to add is so far from the truth.
However, I would have applied exactly the same ideology for example if two white Americans moved here and had a child. Whilst knowing that the kid would now officially be deemed to be "English", personally I would still think of him as being an American boy and not English. Is that also being racist? Perhaps I`m wrong, but this is how I personally see things and certainly with no malice intended. I really don`t see what the big problem is?
Just to clarify, should I ever have a child in the future with my Asian wife then I would consider it to be half English and half Thai regardless of the actual nationality bestowed upon it depending on it`s birthplace. In other words, I would most certainly apply my own criteria to myself!
I fear that due to the way we have been conditioned over recent years it`s now dangerous to say anything or have any opinion if a "coloured" person is involved without being classed as a racist. This, no doubt, is also the reason why there was never a serious debate about immigration, no matter how bad it was obviously getting, for fear of being wrongly accused.
I daresay that with his background, Sunder Katwala would obviously favour a pro immigrant slant to his poll. Nothing wrong in that, but that is just a fact because naturally, like all of us, in many cases you pick up and inherit certain values and beliefs from your parents.
Admittedly, perhaps my Bernard Manning example was not the best option to have chosen, but sometimes when replying on here we perhaps can be guilty of writing too quickly without first ensuring that the brain is fully in gear!
As I have mentioned on the Forum before, these are my own personal beliefs and do not reflect or represent in any way UKIP or the local branch and its members.
Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Not offended. I read the thread and was disappointed with the manner of team UKIP's postings, and commented on them, foolishly because I have avoided doing so previously. Smart move getting Howard on board, if you have as much success in the election as you have had on here then you will be in with a shout of taking over the seat.
Audere est facere.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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interesting post john, we will have to agree to disagree over the nationality issue i can remember back as young as ten and getting excited when england won any sporting event.
i used to knock around with a south african lady in the 1990's and they are like our american friends and claim an identity from generations back, she claimed to be scottish because her great grandmother hailed from dundee!! kept telling her friends i was irish despite my cockney accent.
in the event of you and your new lady wife being "blessed with issue" i feel sure your son/daughter would consider her/himself as dovorian english.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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disappointed by your comments martin, as you know i promote red clair and all her actions on here and i also get on with charlie though he never sends me anything.
have met john and peter from ukip and will encourage them to post here if they choose to, likewise keith and reg.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
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well i will keep posting howard
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Martin P
People are coming on board as you describe it ,because of the common-sense politicks of ukip
unfortunately the labour party are ignoring the views of the ordinary British working
People .
All you labour activists on this site keep blaming ukip ,, but the truth is your parties stance on EU enlargement and mass open door immigrating and support for bankers, are not supported by the mass British public
The reality is ukip exists because your party and the cons failed in government.
Brian Dixon
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kiethb,i agree ukip are common but have no sense.
Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Keith, my comments are nothing to do with the policies of UKIP or any other party and certainly are not a criticism of Howard, he has been targetted successfully as no doubt UKIP saw this forum as good vehicle to get their message across locally , my comments are regarding the aggressive and often rude postings that are assosciated with the UKIP supporters on here, it has turned this forum into a far worse place than it was prior to them joining. I as I have said many times to you am not a Labour activist and do no more for them than vote at elections, supporter yes activist no. I hope that is clear enough?
Audere est facere.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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A person born in Wolverhampton of Indian parents may have British nationality but can never be 'English'. A person born in Delhi of white British parents may have Indian nationality but will still be English. English is not a nationality but an ethnicity. Ethnicity depends on the ethnic origin of your parents and the family culture in which you are raised. My daughter was born in Kuwait but is a beautiful English rose now living in Abu Dhabi. Despite being brought up in a totally multicultural environment in Kuwait, Dubai and Saudi Arabia, she is as English as they come, albeit with a reasonable command of Arabic.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Interesting points Peter, the person who was born in Wolverhampton of Indian parents when they have children would they be English? Cliff Richard and Colin Cowdrey were born in India and would never be thought of as anything but English.
Audere est facere.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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English people speak English as their mother tongue and are white. British people can be any colour under the sun and speak any language. My father was born in India too.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i wonder if india would be willing to take cliff back as a gesture of goodwill between our nations?
Bob Whysman
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:i wonder if india would be willing to take cliff back as a gesture of goodwill between our nations?
'Return to sender' was an Elvis song Howard........but seems appropriate! In this instance!
Do nothing and nothing happens.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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in view of your "blue sky" thinking bob i have been in contact with australia house regarding repatriation of one of their number.
the one who likes to tie his kangaroo down.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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well theres a few others we could ship out lol
but martin is not the first to comment on the arrogant UKIP reformed non democratic Dover branch
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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You mistake the truth for arrogance.
Bob Whysman- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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Keith Bibby wrote:You mistake the truth for arrogance.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdmIhCkp3p4‎
Do nothing and nothing happens.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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very good bob.
but there is allways this one.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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i tried martin,,,
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