Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
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I think Corbyn means well but is an awful leader and I dread to think what would happen to this country in the unlikely event of him becoming Prime Minister.
Imagine a world with Corbyn and Trump both in power.
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I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
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Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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yes jan trumpton springs to mind along with armoggedon
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
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Well that is HMRCs estimate for the amount of corporation tax that is avoided over the course of 4 years.
Seriously if all tax due was collected along with the c£12bn EU fee per year then the UK would have in the region of £130bn to invest in some form of infrastructure fund , if the state put in this sum of money each year for just 4 years with average investment returns of 6% this would equate to c£569bn over a 10 year span it would equate to £807bn.
Not as daft an idea as it first seemed eh. to be fair to Corbyn he does say it will be funded from ensuring all tax due is paid...
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Corbyn does seem to have a knack of putting his foot in it, this peerage looks decidedly dubious after the recipient published a report that the party did not have a problem with anti-semitism.
http://news.sky.com/story/row-over-labour-peerage-for-shami-chakrabarti-10523471howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I assume Ross was being ironic in the last sentence of post 64.
Moving on I thought this article sums up the apocalypse that the Labour party is confronted with due to their lapel badge politics.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/truth-has-become-a-casualty-in-the-new-politics-of-the-labour-party-a7176216.htmlGuest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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If UKIP can find the right leader they could move into second place but it is a very big but-----------
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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England is now a country without an effective opposition party. That can only be bad news for everyone. In terms of how to recover, I think the best thing that Labour can do is back off, let Corbyn have the keys and lose an election. That is the only way the champagne socialist will stop banging on as they are, as there would be tangible evidence that the country does not want Corbyn. There could be some appeal for May there as well, as she would be 100% sure of victory and could have her own mandate.
As for UKIP, you know the old saying, no one player is bigger than the team - but in the case of UKIP and Farage, I think this is the case. Without Faragae, I think they are finished.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I don't think Mrs May will call an early General Election more likely in late 2017 when Labour will still be in disarray. If she calls it then the Tories will be in power until 2022 which probably fits in with her retirement plans.
Paul M- Registered: 1 Feb 2016
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She can't just 'call' a General Election, legislation says all terms are for five years, so nothing until 2020.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Not totally correct Paul the fixed term thingy doesn't apply if enough MP's demand a General Election.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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There are two ways to call an 'early' election - the first is for two thirds of MPs to vote for one; the second is for a vote of no confidence from within the ruling party.
Both of these routes are dodgy, but we are in dodgy times. The Government has a majority of 12, which means that in reality, it is actually in a worse position than when it had the Lib Dems propping it up. With Brexit negotiations ahead, they might fancy increasing that number - as they almost certainly would with an election.
The dodgy part is Labour's role - so under any sensible standard, if a Government wants to call an election, it follows that they are in a position of power and therefore, the opposition would resist, thus making difficult obtaining two thirds. However, the Labour PLP really are in the back of the cupboard looking for any way possible to get rid of Corbyn, so a hammering at an election would be just about the best way to do it. The risk, of course, is that as individual MPs, they could lose their own seat. Having said all of this, I note now that Corbyn is saying that he might not go even if he did lose an election, which fits with my own view that JC has no interest in actually being PM, he simply wants an opposition that fits with his ideology.
The vote of no confidence in yourself route would be madness, but you just never know...
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Corbyn's people now dominate the NEC, note the comment from one that winning the Election in 2020 should not be a priority!! Indulging their hobbies is how I see it.
http://news.sky.com/story/corbyns-allies-run-rings-round-eddie-izzard-10528576Captain Haddock
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Here's a picture of Corbyn and Watson in happier times:-
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"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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They remind me of Spike Milligan and Harry Secombe who were another couple of Goons.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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did some one mention the goons.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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and if you know the words please feel free to sing along.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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howard mcsweeney1 likes this"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"