Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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labour did as well under blair
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I have noticed recently that Jezza has come out with some good, seemingly costed ideas that would appeal to the masses and his manner is much more forthright than previously. Could be a turning point for the party's fortunes.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corbyn_uk_58ef353ce4b0bb9638e16603Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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I wouldn't rule out David Miliband. I think if he came back, overnight, everything would change. I am optimistic as presumably his plan A was to get a post in the Clinton administration, but given that didn't exactly go to plan, his next move cannot be too far away...
One thing is for sure, the country can only benefit from a strong opposition - and we are being spectacularly denied that at the moment.
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Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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David Miliband isn't quite the white knight, egalitarian philanthropist that a lot of blinkered people seem to make him out to be...
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Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Obscene amount of money for the job involved, wasn't there a similar ruckus over the boss of "Save the Children"?
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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that's if you believe every thing the daily fail print.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Let's be honest all the top politicians seem to be there just to make a fortune out of their names which ever political party they belong to.
Those who are not completely greedy wait until they leave Westminster others like George Osborne take their extra money as soon as it becomes available.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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That appears to be labours national problem if they move to the left they lose the support of getting into number 10
Moving to the left will bring back that core support, but many of those happy to be opposition and believe that's wat they want
Like him or loathe him Blair learnt you have to bring middle England with you if you wanmyt to be in number 10.
Labour nationally has a real dilemma what to do next.
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Guest 1849- Registered: 12 Sep 2016
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The labour party is finished because over decades around the world socialism has failed, the money always runs out.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Thankfully Labour will always be the main opposition and other parties come and go not many remain.
I thought when UKIP came on the scene they could have made a difference there did there bit with farrage but they will now melt away
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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What are left wing policies? Blair/Brown brought in the minimum wage,working tax credits, sure start, home start, Winter heating allowance and bus passes for the elderly and dramatically cut NHS waiting lists. All very left wing to me,I suspect Corbyn would rather talk about Trident and solar panels.
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Guest 1849- Registered: 12 Sep 2016
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:What are left wing policies? Blair/Brown brought in the minimum wage,working tax credits, sure start, home start, Winter heating allowance and bus passes for the elderly and dramatically cut NHS waiting lists. All very left wing to me,I suspect Corbyn would rather talk about Trident and solar panels.
All the above is true and as I said the money always runs out. Its easy to buy votes and pass on the bill to the next generation.
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:Thankfully Labour will always be the main opposition and other parties come and go not many remain.
I thought when UKIP came on the scene they could have made a difference there did there bit with farrage but they will now melt away
UKIP's job is done, we're leaving the EU, very few people have interest in UKIP anymore, especially Nigel Farage. The main reason people stood for UKIP was to leave the EU, we are all entirely satisfied with the job done and will now leave the rest to continue with their petty party squabbles.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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and look where it got us,loads of uncertaty.more lies etc
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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I have always voted Labour, but if there was an election tomorrow, I really couldn't do so this time around. The party is a shambles. Right now, the Lib Dems would be the only party I could vote for. That really is a sorry state.
Agree with David about UKIP, better to go now in an orderly fashion than to wither on the vine over a longer period.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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The bookies are offering odds of 3 to 1 on Corbyn going in June with Yvette Cooper and Keir Starmer near enough joint favourites to take over.
Paul M- Registered: 1 Feb 2016
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He will have to go on 9 June but not without a fight and causing more damage to the party he says he loves. Cooper has a bit of the Hilary Clinton about her and I doubt she has the personality to ever be trusted by the electorate. Starmer may well be the best of a bad bunch but in any case I imagine Labour will get through a fair few leaders before one gets the chance to be PM.
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The problem for May is that Cameron was able to win the last election by saying 'Imagine if Milliband won, wouldn't Britain be chaotic and awful' and most of us, considering how useless Milliband was, agreed and voted otherwise.
The trouble this time is it's no use saying 'Imagine if Jeremy won' as almost nobody can.
Certainly none of his Labour colleagues seem to be able to.
Indeed I suspect even Jezza can't imagine it!
It's a great shame the Labour party has come to this.
As Rod Liddle, a long time Labour member, wrote this week 'I yield to nobody my contempt, bordering on loathing, for the perpetually active, psychotically obsessive alliance of grim-faces 1970s Trots and deluded middle-class infants who have taken over my party'.
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'If no one went no faster than what I do there'd be a sight less trouble in this world'
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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The big worry in the Tory ranks is apathy from their voters, normally their supporters would vote for a sherbert fountain if it had a blue rosette. Nearly the same could be said for Labour voters as long as it is not raining on the day. My prediction as things stand is a very low turn out which although will still result in a big win for the Tories it will not be the seal of approval that the PM needs.