Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
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i think that the labour party needs to put ms abbot and jezza into the bloody tower until july the 1st.
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Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
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Or even longer Brian.
If the voting trend continues for the General Election I think Labour are going to have a long uphill climb to recover regardless of who is the party leader.
Such a shame and potentially dangerous when there is no strong opposition to keep the Government from executing extreme policies.
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Labour needs to get a total hammering in the election. The worst of all worlds will be a scenario where they are hammered, but not quite as bad as people thought. Far better to have a comprehensive defeat and even the likes of Len McCluskey give up all hope and we can all start again. Rebuild whilst an over confident may cocks up Brexit.
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Paul M- Registered: 1 Feb 2016
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The problem is 90% of members are just as or even more left wing of Jezza the Clown. Then you have the Unions. The party is slowly killing itself.
Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Paul M wrote:The party is slowly killing itself.
Some of the best £3's I ever spent!
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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ok jan how about until bastille day then give them the chop to celebrate.
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Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
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The problem the party has is if they move to the left(like corbyn) hes unelectable to thewider electorate.
if they go for middle England is a only hope but that's a battle that will take a long time
They need to go back to basics get involved in local communities build up the support
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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At least Jezza's got his calender sorted out.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:The problem the party has is if they move to the left(like corbyn) hes unelectable to thewider electorate.
if they go for middle England is a only hope but that's a battle that will take a long time
They need to go back to basics get involved in local communities build up the support
Much as I agree that Labour should rebuild by getting involved in communities and listening to the people instead of talking down to them being left wing is not a problem.
Cast our minds back to 1992 when a fervent left wing ginger Welshman was heading to victory until a week or so before when the suits appeared and presented him as the voice of middle England.
Didn't help that the Tories had knifed Thatcher and replaced her with someone bland though.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:
Cast our minds back to 1992 when a fervent left wing ginger Welshman was heading to victory until a week or so before when the suits appeared and presented him as the voice of middle England.
It's called hubris.
+ It didn't help that he was ginger
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Sadly Bob Labour is up against it, big business, Banks, Tories, all the other powerful groups working(many unelected and secret) to make sure they get a tory govt.
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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labour don't even sound like the people they suppose to represent .
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Keith Bibby wrote:labour don't even sound like the people they suppose to represent .
Exactly who are the people they supposed to represent?
Today the traditional Labour voting worker is just as likely to be self employed, well educated, car owner, own his house and go on expensive foreign holidays. This is one of the reasons Blair was popular he realised things had changed largely for the better. The poorly paid are no longer the uneducated who cow-tow to the boss and dare not think for themselves.
The days of the cloth capped, clogged uneducated man and woman toiling away at some menial and dangerous factory job or down the mines for 12 hours a day have long gone thank goodness, mainly due to some excellent lobbying from the unions.
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Paul M- Registered: 1 Feb 2016
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The days of the cloth capped, clogged uneducated man and woman toiling away at some menial and dangerous factory job or down the mines for 12 hours a day have long gone thank goodness, mainly due to some excellent lobbying from the unions
Some of those jobs are of course still available and luckily most are taken up by our eastern European friends!
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Paul M wrote:
Some of those jobs are of course still available and luckily most are taken up by our eastern European friends!
Allowing employees to pay low wages, supplemented by you and me through our taxes going on 'income support', and avoiding them investing in labour saving machinery to do the 'grunt' work.
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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the labour party was founded to represent British workers
not to import millions of cheap workers into the British working class labour market helping the bosses to reduce wages.
owning fited carpets and a plasma TV and car do not make you middle class .
workers at the bottom have no rights and are still mostly exploited.
mass forced self-employment is a symptom of the labour market not working correctly and mostly in place to circumvent employment law.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Bob , I presume you mean Employers
Keith;
There are many problems with society and how it runs, silly legal system at times,
Teachers/police/parents losing powers to be effective.
Establishment ; elected govts and those unelected bodies that want to see the tories remain in office.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:Bob , I presume you mean Employers
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Tks Keith, Stupid me. Multi-tasking again! (Bloody difficult using an IPad while driving up the M20.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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hate to point out your errors Bob lol
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:Sadly Bob Labour is up against it, big business, Banks, Tories, all the other powerful groups working(many unelected and secret)
So much for hope not hate! But perhaps this happens in all belief systems?
This being the 500th anniversary of Martin Luther and his 95 theses I've been reading widely about the Reformation. The late Patrick Collinson wrote 'the importance of puritanism was that it was one half of a stressful relationship; the godly needing enemies on whom to unleash their righteous anger.'
With socialism as the true faith and Das Kapital as the sacred text, the left look for the 'other' to blame for life's viscitudes, just as the ignorant right will blame 'immigration' for the fact that they have neither the skills nor the work ethic for high paid employment.
Perhaps Grace Slick was wrong and we really all Need Somebody to Hate? Hopefully not. Here's the video anyway. Enjoy.
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"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"