Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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Hes reliant on his friends in high places
a lot who appear to have left him out to dry
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Opting to go to Crown Court is often used - the prosecution cost is far higher and cases can be dropped on financial grounds.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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which wont put him in a good light
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Interesting to see how Charlie reacts to Yellowhammer. For all he concluded his best career bet was to join the ERG gang, he must surely be concerned about what he is reading - and will obviously know the reality is probably worse than is being published.
Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
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To be fair, he did put forward a pot-pourri of measures to mitigate the effects on trade some time ago. On the other hand, he does have a habit of fixating on glistering whizzo wheezes, such as "bringing back duty-free would boost coastal communities like ours, which is why I have long campaigned for this". So selective deafness then, I conclude.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Like Paul Carter on the radio this morning, I expect he will simply continue to trot out the party line. Worst possible scenario, mitigating steps have been taken, massive recruitment in the border force blah blah blah ad infinitum.
After all, he has nothing to lose and is only saying what the faithful want to hear, regardless of its veracity.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Brexit is a bit like toothache - no matter matter what the evidence suggests beforehand, people only take notice once the pain hits.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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His latest from my inbox........
"It's time to leave the EU and move on
We have discussed Brexit and nothing but Brexit for three years. It is now paralysing the nation.
It’s time to move on and focus on all the other hugely important issues – schools, healthcare, law and order, the economy, and ultimately building a Brexit Britain that works for every corner of our land.
Yet it’s become clear that some politicians are intent on more arguing – more dither and delay. Last week I received a demand from other parties that I should endorse the latest attempts to subvert the will of the British people, by backing a surrender bill that requires yet another pointless extension.
Everyone knows that those other parties are passionate that Britain should remain in the EU, that they wish to cancel the referendum result by all and any means. However, the people of Dover and Deal voted emphatically to leave. And I will always stand firm with the people of Dover and Deal.
What’s more, keeping no deal on the table is hugely important. Firstly, it means European leaders know we are serious about leaving and are prepared to walk away. That increases our chances of securing a good deal.
Secondly, people voted to leave the EU more than three years ago. During the referendum campaign there was full and extended debate. It was made clear that whatever decision the country made would be carried out.
It was also made clear – by many, including the Prime Minister – that if people voted to leave this meant triggering Article 50, and that this in turn gave us two years to agree a deal or we would leave the EU without one. Everyone knew the consequences. Everyone had the chance to vote.
Similarly, MPs have had every chance to have their say over Brexit. They had the chance to vote for a referendum in the first place. They had the chance to vote for a deal. They had the chance to vote for a second referendum. They had the chance to vote no confidence in the Government. In recent days, they even had the chance to vote for a general election.
And it’s clear that we are more prepared to leave now than ever before. Hundreds of extra border force and customs officers have been recruited. Businesses have been told what they need to do. Boris Johnson’s Government is working day and night to make sure we take full advantage of the Transit Convention, meaning there need not be any checks at either Dover or Calais under European law.
Our top civil servant says we are as ready as we can be. There may well be bumps in the road – but this country is more than capable of steering a course around them.
Because the current situation cannot go on. We have spent years arguing about this already – and the truth is Britain will be a massive success after Brexit. Our best days are yet to come."
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
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'We have discussed Brexit and nothing but Brexit for three years...It’s time to move on and focus on all the other hugely important issues...'
He must have left out the bit that said: 'but just for the moment, I'd like to continue dribbling on about Brexit.'
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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Oh, and: '...Britain will be a massive success after Brexit...'
How on earth do you begin to measure something as immensely vague as this? I'd suggest SMART, but I'm not sure that and Elphicke belong in the same sentence.
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Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
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Jan Higgins wrote:"Boris Johnson’s Government is working day and night to make sure we take full advantage of the Transit Convention, meaning there need not be any checks at either Dover or Calais under European law."
Good, because the Convention does lend itself to innovative cunning plans. But no checks at all at Calais is somewhat over-egging the art of the possible, given that Transit doesn't help with "meat" checks and is, at base level at least, a voluntary regime that has costs and checks of its own.
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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OK so he's getting on with his MP work
Apart from his court case his other problem is he finds it difficult to speak 1 to 1 with the person in the street
His preference is to be around only his own followers
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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Considering the way he gets abuse on FB from for simply being our MP I am not surprised he does not want to speak to every Tom, Dick or Harry in the street, I wouldn't either.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Past MPs from both major political parties have had members who are also able to speak with the people they say they represent
Charlie isn't one
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Agree with Jan
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
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Prosser the tosser didnt give a Damn about talking to his constituents, he did occasionally talk down to them though, before that I never met the incumbents so couldnt say. Charlie however i have never had a problem talking with.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Reginald
I don't share your view one of the reasons prosser got in 4 times even though he thought he would lose was because he was able to talk to people
He wasn't my cup of tea in political terms but Charlie avoids contact
Which is working against him
And with the pending court case and his own party out to stitch him up he could let other parties in through the back door
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Prosser got in because he represented Labour who were popular at the time, there was a good reason he was called Tosser on the boats a long before he became an MP.
Regarding Charlie I refer to my previous comment #695, and at least he has not switched parties like others up in Westminster.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Jan
I'm interested in what you feel he did on the boats to earn that
My understanding was he was active in a managers union
Campaigned against Channel tunnel
No bad thing at the time
Indeed he got in when lab was popular the first time but he expected to lose the next 2 but won 3 times!
So maybe you were listening to the wrong people
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