Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,163
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
#1797 You really haven't cottoned onto this at all, have you?
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
Never mind about silly cartoons. Here's Sajid Javid from 2016. It would be funny were it not such a rank example of hypocrisy and political opportunism.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/14/sajid-javid-the-only-thing-leaving-the-eu-guarantees-is-a-lost-d/Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,163
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
Courtesy of the Sunday Times.
The business secretary has suggested that a transition period on customs with the EU could be extended in order to protect jobs. Speaking on BBC One’s Andrew Marr Show, Greg Clark said that it would take some time for new customs arrangements to be put in place, adding that it was possible that the process could take until 2023. He also indicated that a “customs partnership”, which is opposed by Brexiteers, was still under consideration. A decision on the government’s preferred customs option was postponed this week after Theresa May’s Brexit “war cabinet” failed to reach an agreement. Mr Clark said: “I think it would be a mistake to move from one situation to another to a third. “If we can make progress as to what. . . the right arrangement is for the long term, then it may be possible to bring that in over that period of time.”
Asked if the transition could be extended until Britain was ready, he said: “It wouldn’t be a question of extending the transition. It would be, as it were, implementing as soon as you can do . . . there will be different parts that can be done immediately. There will be things that will take more time.” Mr Clark said that it was crucial to protect jobs as companies made decisions about future production. He used Toyota as an example, acknowledging that there were fears over how its manufacturing model would operate with customs checks. The company employs 3,500 people in the UK, Mr Clark said, adding that jobs had to be at the forefront of Britain’s future customs model.
He was backed by Amber Rudd, the former home secretary, who said Mr Clark was right to argue the case “for a Brexit that protects existing jobs and future investment”. Jacob Rees-Mogg, a leading Brexiteer, warned that the customs partnership model would effectively mean remaining in the EU.
He told ITV’s Peston On Sunday: “This ‘Project Fear’ has been so thoroughly discredited that you would have thought it would have come to an end by now. “We trade successfully all over the world. The delays on goods coming into Southampton are tiny.”
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
- Posts: 1,299
This will end up splitting the Cabinet. It can't not do.
Of course the Business Secretary is going to be super cautious - business doesn't really like Brexit. So too the Treasury and the FCO (Boris doesn't count as only it it for himself) given their stakeholder base. Those most up for Brexit will obviously be the Home Office and DWP as they are focussed on reducing migration and social/cash benefits and far less so the success or otherwise of the economy.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,895
Brexit must be the most prolonged petty bickering and scaremongering by so called intelligent politicians I have ever heard. Guesswork gets us as a nation absolutely nowhere.
I just wish it was all sorted so we could get on with improving and building on what we already have and will have in the future.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
Courtesy of the Times.
Britain faces restrictions on post-Brexit trade and draconian measures to enforce free-market policies because the European Union fears a future Jeremy Corbyn government. Senior European officials have told The Times that concerns over Labour’s economic policies are the main reason for the EU’s insistence on a tough “level playing field mechanism” in a future deal after Britain leaves.
The revelation came as the dispute intensified in senior Tory ranks over the customs arrangement between Britain and the EU after Brexit. Jacob Rees-Mogg accused Greg Clark, the pro-EU business and energy secretary, of promoting “Project Fear” by saying that thousands of jobs were at risk if Britain did not minimise friction in trade. Mr Clark advocated the customs partnership preferred by Theresa May but which is fiercely opposed by Mr Rees-Mogg as well as Leavers in her cabinet.
EU negotiators are highlighting post-Brexit concerns about lower social and environment standards “because it is better public relations”, but European governments are more worried about the prospect of state subsidies and a return to public ownership in key services should Mr Corbyn become prime minister.
“The idea that Conservatives would legislate a race to the bottom is a myth and no one really believes it, even if some Tories have helped create it. The real fear is state subsidies under a Jeremy Corbyn government,” a senior Brussels source involved in Brexit negotiations said. “British policy has remained unchanged for generations but now there is a real chance of a left-wing government reversing it. We have to protect ourselves and the single market.”
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Boris and Jacob playing a game with the former going for the PMs throat whilst the latter pretends to support her whilst issuing veiled threats. Incidentally JRM is now favourite with the bookies to be our next PM.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-boris-johnson-customs-partnership-theresa-may-cabinet-crazy-proposals-a8340681.htmlButton
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,065
I would respect the arguments of those two gentlemen the more if they came off their ideological high horse, stopped simply stringing nouns together and instead criticised the NCP along the lines of:
- is it acceptable to the EU?
- and can it be done by April 2019 or January 2021?
- and what is its comparative cost?
As for the ILB, the issue is more on the EU side, concerning meat and meat products travelling north to south. Either the EU-standard controls are done on the border (oops), or they are done before or after the border (a change), or there is some form of UK:EU regulatory alignment (oops). Or you could air-, sea- or railfreight it to Eire - anything in fact, daft as it seems, than driving or droving it.
(Not my real name.)
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
- Posts: 1,299
Best analogy I have seen on this is that it is like a couple fighting as to whether to go to Pluto or Venus for their Summer holiday, when everyone else knows that neither are possible anyway!
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Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,065
Yeah, like in Apollo 13:
Let's look at this thing from a... um, from a standpoint of status. What do we got on the spacecraft that's good?
(pause) I'll get back to you...
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
Astute move by the PM in ignoring the attack by Boris who wanted to be sacked so he could be seen as a man of principle who respected the wishes of the electorate. Mrs May knows that he is waiting for the chance to plot against her from outside the cabinet.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
another non starter . like brexit.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
- Posts: 1,299
Is it me or does it feel like the mood is changing? The sudden outbreak of reality that Brexit is ridiculously complicated and will almost certainly leave us worse off - for what, exactly? Even the Brexiteer lunatic fringe are calling for extensions of the transition period - they don't even bother calling it the implementation period nowadays!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Courtesy of the Times.
Theresa May has divided her warring cabinet into two rival camps to fight out their differences on Brexit. Her top team is split over how Britain should manage its customs arrangements with the EU after it leaves the bloc. Boris Johnson, the foreign secretary, has called her favoured customs partnership model “crazy”. He and other Brexiteers favour an alternative plan called “max-fac”. This is opposed by Philip Hammond, the chancellor, and others who say it would damage the economy and break Britain’s promise to avoid a hard border with Ireland. A meeting of the Brexit cabinet sub-committee last week broke down without agreement. To break the deadlock Mrs May has appointed two new working groups on each of the rival solutions.
Liam Fox, the trade secretary, Michael Gove, the environment secretary, and David Lidington, the Cabinet Office minister, have been given the task of working on the customs partnership model. Greg Clark, the business secretary, David Davis, the Brexit secretary, and Karen Bradley, the Northern Ireland secretary, will look at the max-fac model. Tellingly, neither Mr Johnson nor Mr Hammond, who represent the opposing poles of the debate, has been asked to take part. Mrs May met both groups, which each include Brexit and Remain- supporting ministers, in Downing Street yesterday and asked them to work towards an agreed position.
However, Germany’s EU commissioner played down the chances of progress. “Madame May is weak and Boris Johnson has the same hairdo as Trump. That says everything,” Günther Oettinger, 64, said. “We can only hope that sensible citizens will put Madame May on the path to a clever Brexit.”
Explaining Mrs May’s decision on the working groups, an insider said that she had picked the teams to include individuals with departmental responsibility for areas most affected by the proposals. “So if the charge against the customs partnership model is that it limits the UK’s ability to strike free trade deals, then Liam [Fox] can make that case and they can work through the issues,” the source said. “Similarly if the trouble with max-fac is supposed to be Ireland then Karen [Bradley, the northern Ireland secretary] can work out whether there is a way around that.” The move is bound to trigger suspicions, however. Mr Davis is the only supporter in his group of max-fac, or maximum facilitation, which would rely on technology as part of attempts to minimise checks at the border.
Mr Clark’s inclusion is particularly likely to irritate Brexiteers. The business secretary warned on Sunday that the future of some of Britain’s most critical industries depended on maintaining free-flowing trade borders.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
Charlie speaking.
Customs clearance operators at the Port of Dover say Brexit can work – as long investment takes place "rather quickly". Motis Freight Services Agency general manager Tim Dixon told me an "IT-based solution" with "pre-notification", "trusted trader schemes" and checks away from the port can prevent traffic backlogs. His views echo my own. I have written several papers detailing what's needed to prevent long queues around the Channel ports after Brexit. Mr Dixon recently showed me around the Motis facilities at the Western Docks. Major resurfacing work is taking place and will be completed in the next fortnight, increasing the site's lorry parking provision from 300 to 330 spaces.
Mr Dixon said: "I do think Brexit is workable. No-one wants to see lorries backed up for miles and that's me speaking as a Dovorian. It's going to come down to an IT-based solution, and what we do with documentation. "But as long as the right people are speaking to each other, as they are starting to, we can continue the flow of traffic through the port, which is what everyone wants to see."
Motis has also recently upgraded its facilities for drivers. Its port building now has showers, a laundrette, a restaurant/café, a cinema room, an ATM and charging points. Mr Dixon said the firm is looking to add more sites and focussing on a number of areas across Kent, particularly along the M2/A2 corridor. Lorry parking is one of the things the Government should be investing in now. No matter what deal is struck with the EU, it is needed and has been for years. The few places we do have like Motis are full every single day.
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"