howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Courtesy of the Telegraph
Britain will tell Brussels it is prepared to stay tied to the customs union beyond 2021 as ministers remain deadlocked over a future deal with the EU, the Telegraph has learned. The Prime Minister's Brexit war Cabinet earlier this week agreed on a new "backstop" as a last resort to avoid a hard Irish border, having rejected earlier proposals from the European Union.
Ministers signed off the plans on Tuesday despite objections from Boris Johnson, the Foreign Secretary, and Michael Gove, the Environment Secretary. A pro-European Cabinet source said that Mr Johnson and Mr Gove were "outgunned" during the meeting and reluctantly accepted the plans. The Brexit sub-committee reached a consensus that Britain will stay aligned to the customs union if highly complex technology needed to operate borders after Brexit is not ready. Officials have warned it may not be in place until 2023.
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Exam candidate got his/her nouns crossed again - no GCSE pass here. Try this for revision:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44054594Guest 1997 likes this
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Weird Granny Slater
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It won't happen in time to extract the Tories from their self-inflicted tangle, but remote is getting closer every day. Best quote, Seamus Mallon: 'Make haste, slowly.'
https://www.channel4.com/news/brexit-senior-unionists-from-northern-ireland-ready-to-talk-to-dublin-about-possible-unification'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Any possibility of a "United Ireland" is very far into the future however much Verruca wants to put that on his c.v.
The loyalists would see it as betrayal and all hell would break loose on the Emerald Isle.
Brian Dixon
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let them eat humble pie and porridge at the same time.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Michael Deacon writing in the Telegraph.
Think politics is in a mess? Believe it or not, it could be worse. Far worse. A group of Remainers are demanding what they call a “people’s vote” on the final Brexit deal. Imagine, for the sake of argument, that the Prime Minister consented. What would the ballot paper say? Perhaps it would give us only two options: either “Endorse the Government’s deal”, or “Leave without a deal”. Well, that wouldn’t be much good. The Government’s deal could be a total dud. That doesn’t automatically mean that “no deal” would be popular, though. Many voters – including plenty who voted Leave in 2016 – wouldn’t fancy either option.
In which case, the ballot paper could offer a third option: “Send the Government back to renegotiate”. Well, that wouldn’t be any good either. There wouldn’t be enough time. The Article 50 period runs out next March. We’d have to beg the EU for an extension. If they said no, we’d be humiliated. And if they said yes, they’d have us over a barrel, because the British public would The ballot paper could, therefore, offer yet another option: “Cancel Brexit”. It wouldn’t, obviously, because Brexiteers in Parliament would never allow it. But say they did. That would give voters a choice of four options – and it’s extremely unlikely that any one of the four would win a majority of votes. In fact, it would be possible for “Cancel Brexit” to win with as little as 26 per cent. Cue national meltdown. Almost three-quarters of people would have voted for Brexit – but because they were split between three incompatible approaches to it, we’d have to stay in the EU.already have ruled out the threat of “no deal”, and the Government would be getting desperate.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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The settled status issue should have been the first thing sorted after triggering article, instead we have 4 million people in limbo.
https://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-keep-dragons-at-bay-by-settling-brexit-statuses-11379247howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Courtesy of the Times
It is rare for a leader of the opposition to have the power to change the course of history but on Brexit that’s precisely what Jeremy Corbyn has. There are enough Tory mutineers prepared to rebel against the prime minister on what they see as a matter of national interest that the Labour leader can defeat the government. Indeed, he already did so last December when Labour joined Conservative pro-Europeans to force Theresa May to give MPs a “meaningful vote” on the final deal. Yet, on so many questions about our future relationship with the EU, Mr Corbyn retains a position of “constructive ambiguity”. It cannot last. With power comes responsibility and the Labour leader’s Janus-faced circumspection on Europe is about to run up against harsh reality.
The House of Lords has voted for Britain to join the European Economic Area and therefore stay in the single market. More than 80 Labour peers defied their leader to support the measure and as many as 70 pro-European Labour MPs are preparing to back the amendment when the EU (Withdrawal) Bill returns to the House of Commons. Mr Corbyn is sticking to his vacuous promise to seek a “new and strong relationship with the single market”, insisting at last week’s meeting of the parliamentary Labour Party that the referendum result must be respected. The expectation is that Labour MPs will be whipped to abstain on the division, which would enable the government to win the vote.
This has serious consequences for Mr Corbyn, however, since it would make him responsible for a hard Brexit that is opposed by the vast majority of his supporters. He would be lining up with Jacob Rees-Mogg and Theresa May against the Trades Union Congress and his Glastonbury fans on an issue that will determine the economic prospects for the country, as well as affecting workers’ rights. One Labour MP, Chris Leslie, has warned that he would “share responsibility for the decade of austerity to come”. Another former minister describes the forthcoming vote as a clarifying moment. “If Corbyn whips his MPs to abstain, it reveals his Euroscepticism. He can make the difference here and he would be choosing not to.”
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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It's not a cave in, Howard, although I'm sure there will be many keen to construe it as such. Just another step towards project fear becoming project reality. We've been dragged down this route over the past two years or more by charlatans, all desperately trying to bolster political careers that they could never aspire to on merit - IDS, Gove, Mogg, Johnson, Farage, Hoey - all political failures. They'll continue to push their own agendas, of course.
The gullible will shake their heads sadly and say " I knew exactly what I was voting for" although they can't have done, of course, because it is clear that even this late in the game no-one actually knows. Party politics at its worst and we and our children will suffer from it.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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£.32. 50 doesn't sound a lot but to a business that has regular, small exports/imports with tight profit margins it could be their undoing.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44229606Button
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If the £20bn is based on the £32.50s (for a "frontier" declaration) then I think that is a very fair assessment and Mr Redwood ought to wake up and smell the roses. Of course, overall, it's higher than £32.50 because 2 or 3 declarations will be involved in trading with the EU - import, export and typically Transit in the middle; it's just a question of who pays for them. Any new costs for ports and carriers will also be on-costed because of course money doesn't grow on trees.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Correct Mr Buttock, as we know there are umpteen thousands of traders who have never had to make a customs declaration so they will need a freight forwarder to do the necessary which would cost 40 - 50 quid. No problem with the "trusted traders" and their full loads but not for those with a 100 kilos consignment to go across.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Turn up for the book that the hardliners are happy that we stay in the customs union into the next decade and puts our minds at rest in East Kent.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-customs-union-uk-stay-2020-tory-mps-jacob-rees-mogg-a8367001.htmlButton
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And that helps how exactly?
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Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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Of course Dover’s growth industry prior to the Single Market was the Freight Forwarding industry. It was one of the major contributors to Town Centre vibrancy. Do we see another opportunity albeit electronic /digital but locally based if deals crash? Any local entrepreneurs gearing up to fill a vacuum. Ask Neil Wiggins !
Brian Dixon
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button, stops me being poisond by toxic lorry fumes.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Button wrote:And that helps how exactly?
The longer we put off leaving the customs union the longer it will be before the traffic grinds to a halt.
Button
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Brian, pop down to Motis and ask them what proportion of goods being customs cleared there come from/go to a country that's in a customs union with the EU. About 50% I reckon.
The Limekiln Street roundabout is going to be 'popular'.
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