howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Vic Matcham wrote:All rubbish
I need time to take all that in before responding.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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The naivety of some of the posters on here is quite staggering.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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you lot make me laugh, there wont be enough cheap eastern european workers to pick home grown fruit and veg. and I cant see English lay abouts banding there backs for 5 quid an hour either.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Before freedom of movement there was an arrangement whereby temporary work permits were issued for seasonal work on farms Brian, wouldn't be difficult to bring it back again.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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not if the Brexit people have there way.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Post 1874 highlights the problems Ro Ro ports have that containerports don't plus the fact that we don't have the spare land and qualified staff to handle full customs clearance and freight forwarding work if we leave the customs union. On the subject of pharmaceuticals any import from outside the EU would mostly involve deep sea shipping that could up to 6 weeks from ordering to having them delivered to the warehouse.
A last minute deal on our leaving is no use to businesses importing/exporting that are used to 3 or 4 days from ordering to delivery.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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A solution to the Irish border question courtesy of the Daily Mash.
THE government has suggested that the border between Ireland and Northern Ireland could be one of those beaded curtains popular in the 1970s. Brexit minister David Davis believes the curtain, which would run for the full 310 miles from Lough Foyle to Carlingford Lough, would fulfill EU requirements while allowing goods to simply be driven through. He continued: “You remember them? They were made of like cane or bamboo or something. Everyone had them. “You’d put it in the doorway between the kitchen and the dining room, and they’d stop cooking smells getting through but you could still talk, or something. Actually I’m not sure why we had them.
“But if we use one, it’ll mean everyone knows exactly where the border is while not presenting any kind of barrier that would upset the IRA because you just part it with your hands. “And if anyone tried to take terrorists or drugs or imports from China that don’t meet EU standards through, we’d know immediately because we’d hear the beads rattle.”
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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You do tend to get queues at borders initially when free nations break away from Soviet Blocks.
'If no one went no faster than what I do there'd be a sight less trouble in this world'
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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unifi Ireland and put a border 6 miles west of isle of man.
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:Before freedom of movement there was an arrangement whereby temporary work permits were issued for seasonal work on farms Brian, wouldn't be difficult to bring it back again.
Exactly, if I remember correctly when I was young it was mainly foreign students and other youngsters having a paid holiday.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Jan Higgins wrote:Exactly, if I remember correctly when I was young it was mainly foreign students and other youngsters having a paid holiday.
Yup. VOLAG (Voluntary Agricultural Workers Scheme) which became SAWS (Seasonal Agricultural Workers Scheme)
http://www.visaforuk.co.uk/seasonal_agricultural_worker.html What's not to like?
'If no one went no faster than what I do there'd be a sight less trouble in this world'
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Jan Higgins wrote:Exactly, if I remember correctly whg from en I was young it was mainly foreign students and other youngsters having a paid holiday.
Going from memory it was mainly French students over here and our ones picking grapes in France but in later years both sets considered it beneath them but thankfully the young from poorer countries lap up the chance to work their socks off as the low wage they earn has a lot more purchasing power back home so win/win all round.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:The only thing that surprises me here is that only 62% of people think the negotiations are going badly.
Who have all got their 'inside' information on what's going on from what are frankly a metropolitan journalist elite who have done quite nicely out of the EU scam, economists who think an increase in GDP is all a country needs even if it no longer looks like a country at the end of the exercise, and a load of sore-loser Remain voters who will do anything to sabotage the negotiation for fear that they might be proved wrong and that the world will not end when we leave the EU.
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Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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Seriously Cap'n the negotiations are a shambles. Our government seems not to even know what questions to ask far less what we, the British people, want.
There will always be people on both sides of the argument who seek to maximise their influence/profit/income/notoriety or just enjoy stirring things up.
Whilst I voted remain I am enough of a democrat to accept that we go along with the majority view.
As for those who have done nicely out of the EU, lets start with agitator in chief Farage, who milked his expenses etc for every penny he could get, farming corporations/large landowners who have done exceptionally well out of CAP etc. often at the expense of small farmers, most of The City of London )not that this will change if we are inside or outside of the EU) etc.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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#1891 - That really is lamentable codswallop even by your standards. We are two years on and where are the trade deals that would take 6 months to complete? Why are we not telling those dreadful Europeans to "go whistle" for what they are legally entitled to? How strange that labour shortages are being to be felt from agriculture to the NHS. Absolutely nothing has been achieved from a government so monstrously incompetent and internally riven that it's hard to think of a comparison in history. There have been no negotiations, rather more a managed and semi-camouflaged retreat as the reality has finally dawned. Personally I fear that too much damage has already been done. What little chance we had to reclaim some of the benefits from 45 years integrating our economy in Europe has been squandered by the charlatans, hypocrites and erstwhile failures of the Tory right.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I am having difficulty trying to understand this one, a lot of good intent but reminds me of the "max vac" one that got laughed off by the EU.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jun/05/labour-reveals-scheme-to-maintain-access-to-eu-single-markethoward mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Button- Location: Dover
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I don't know about "hitting below the belt" - this was always going to be the case when the UK and EU went their separate ways, ie. the question of 'non-originating' goods/components comes up, as do certificates of origin (or certified invoices) for all goods that are 'originating'. It's not a new surprise, is what I'm saying.
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