Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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I can catagoraty say that's not me he is talking about.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Courtesy of the Sunday Times.
Theresa May today seeks to break the deadlock in her warring cabinet and party over their differences on Brexit by declaring “trust me to deliver” and vowing: “I will not let you down.” Writing for The Sunday Times, the prime minister adopts the language of the Brexiteers as she promises to “take back control” of Britain’s borders, money and laws, but says: “There will have to be compromises.” Her intervention comes after tensions in the cabinet exploded into the open last week as Boris Johnson launched an attack on the prime minister’s preferred option for a post-Brexit EU customs partnership. The foreign secretary dismissed the proposal as “crazy”, saying it would deny Britain control of trade policy.
Johnson and David Davis, the Brexit secretary, favour “maximum facilitation”, which would let technology help so-called trusted traders cross the Northern Ireland and other EU borders freely.
Neither side is willing to compromise, which means the stakes are high for the prime minister, who has divided her cabinet into two rival camps to fight out their differences before the Brexit “war cabinet” meets on Tuesday. Davis is said to be prepared to quit if May’s customs partnership model is adopted, with one aide admitting: “If it doesn’t go his way then all bets are off.” The prime minister has also been warned she could face a leadership challenge.
Her article today is an appeal for unity as she enters another perilous phase of her premiership.
“The path I am setting out is the path to deliver the Brexit people voted for,” she writes. “Of course, the details are incredibly complex and, as in any negotiation, there will have to be compromises. But if we stick to the task we will seize this once in a generation opportunity to build a stronger, fairer Britain that is respected around the world and confident and united at home. I will need your help and support to get there. And in return, my pledge to you is simple: I will not let you down.” With a decision on the trading relationship with the EU expected within days, the pro-Brexit campaign group Leave Means Leave today heaps further pressure on May to abandon the customs partnership model and adopt a technological solution to the Irish border question.
In a report co-authored by John Longworth, the former director of the British Chambers of Commerce, and the Conservative MEP David Campbell Bannerman, the group argues that existing technology is “more than capable of permitting a friction-free border”. The report found that Ireland conducted the lowest level of physical inspections in the world — just 1% — and that 95-99% of goods traded between developed countries avoid physical inspection. It draws on the Svinesund crossing on the Norway-Sweden border, where cameras with numberplate recognition track vehicles. A mobile customs unit checks anything suspicious.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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First it's on-line stalkers - next I've got a doppelgänger!
'If no one went no faster than what I do there'd be a sight less trouble in this world'
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Captain Haddock wrote:First it's on-line stalkers - next I've got a doppelgänger!
Twittering typhoons!
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Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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The Bishop wrote:Twittering typhoons!
And there was me thinking I was the only person cutting and pasting things I have no understanding of in a half-arsed attempt to make myself appear 'clever'.
'If no one went no faster than what I do there'd be a sight less trouble in this world'
Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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Captain Haddock wrote:And there was me thinking I was the only person cutting and pasting things I have no understanding of in a half-arsed attempt to make myself appear 'clever'.
You might have to explain that to me?
Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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The Bishop wrote:You might have to explain that to me?
Me too(with apologies to Harry Winestain) probably connected to Applied Mathematics.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Self-deprecation.
Inferring that the fake Haddock had cut and pasted the stuff about GATT and that I might be guilty of the same.
(Seriously. I didn't have this problem with the Grammar School kids. I honestly don't know why I bother.)
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'If no one went no faster than what I do there'd be a sight less trouble in this world'
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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This will be interesting as the UK Government will no doubt ignore the views of the Scottish Parliament and press ahead anyway - which they can of course do - but the bad feeling will be significant. That's both Irelands and Scotland furious - only Wales to go. Hold on, did somebody mention Gibraltar?
Button- Location: Dover
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Don't forget the IoM which, like the Channel Islands, didn't get to vote in the referendum.
(Not my real name.)
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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This "trusted trader" issue seems to have gone onto a back burner, maybe our betters have looked at the detail? The idea seems to be that major exporters with a good track record on documentation will have their full loads waved cheerily through borders.
What happens when their consignments are part of a groupage container/trailer with "untrusted traders"?
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Button wrote:Don't forget the IoM which, like the Channel Islands, didn't get to vote in the referendum.
...And the rotten boroughs.
Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
Button- Location: Dover
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"Trusted Trader" has been around for a while, in the guise of LIC, Period Entry, CFSP, class E (virtual) warehouses, Authorised Consignees/nors and so on - both before 1.1.1993 and after. As for groupage, as you well know Mr McS, the truck tends to move at the pace of its slowest consignment.
Glad to see our local inland clearance facility, Motis, getting a mention; now all we need is a post-Brexit fiscal regime to get the trucks to it from the border in the Ferry Terminal and vice versa.
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(Not my real name.)
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Things are changing Bunty, the period you refer to was when we were all friends. The EU negotiators are looking to punish us as a warning to other member states who might consider misbehaving.
The groupage issue may be a major problem going by my experience.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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The case for a second referendum:-
'If no one went no faster than what I do there'd be a sight less trouble in this world'
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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brexit is going nowhere, cabinet cant agree on any thing at the moment. and besides time is running out, plus the irish problem.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Speaking of the Irish problem this is from the Times.
Leo Varadkar has said that the Brexiteers’ favoured “max-fac” customs solution is less useful than deodorant as Ireland turns up the pressure ahead of next month’s EU council meeting. Theresa May has told her warring ministers that she wants to settle the dispute over which of two options to choose for a future customs arrangement with the EU as soon as possible. Brexiteers led by Boris Johnson, David Davis and Michael Gove blocked her favoured “customs partnership” model. She remains concerned that their maximum facilitation solution option breaks a commitment not to have a hard border between Ireland and Northern Ireland.
Speaking in the Dáil yesterday the taoiseach said that Mrs May’s model could be made to work and mocked max-fac as he reiterated Ireland’s refusal to accept it. “I believe the customs partnership is closer to being made workable than the maximum-facilitation proposal or max-fac which ... I had thought was some form of make-up or deodorant.” “I have certainly not seen to date any detail that indicates that such a solution would be as functional as make-up or a deodorant. We are not drawing up any plan for a border between Northern Ireland and Ireland, full stop. There is not going to be one.
“I have made it very clear to my counterpart in the United Kingdom and the other EU prime ministers that under no circumstances will there be a border.”
Meanwhile, Jeremy Corbyn’s team has moved to kill renewed speculation that Labour could back the so-called Norway-option for Brexit. The Labour leader is under pressure from his backbench MPs to commit Britain to being part of the European Economic Area (EEA) after it quits the European Union.
The EEA is made up of the 28 EU member states along with Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway, which is why post-Brexit membership for the UK is often called the Norway option. The three extra members have free movement of goods, services, people and capital with the EU and each other, and adopt most EU rules, making them part of the single market. However, they are not members of the EU’s customs union.
Mr Corbyn has previously ruled out the Norway option, saying that it would leave the UK as a “rule-taker” unable to take advantages offered by Brexit such as increasing state aid. A shadow Brexit minister appeared to open the door to Labour backing a Lords amendment to the EU (Withdrawal) Bill make EEA membership a negotiating objective today. Paul Blomfield said that the EEA had “problems associated with it” but refused to rule out supporting it on the Today programme on BBC Radio 4.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Mostly scaremongering but interesting that 185,000 traders will be making a customs declaration for the first time after we leave.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/929999/brexit-news-calais-port-uk-france-european-union-brexit-deal-ireland-border