Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
button, taking back control of what.
Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,065
Borders and taxes, specifically how we trade with non-club countries.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
we have already got them, had them for the last 50 years, so don't need to renew them.
Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
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Sorry, didn't understand that. The pointing I'm making is, if you want to be a club member, you abide by the club rules on how to trade with countries that aren't in the club. The EU is a club, so is EFTA.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
- Posts: 1,299
If memory serves, didn't EFTA say something extremely diplomatic along the lines of (I paraphrase): "The UK is bonkers, don't want them ruining our club..".
Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
- Posts: 614
Button wrote:Well he's a nut then; we'd exchange one externally-facing, common/compromise tariff structure (the EU's) for another (EFTA's). I'm not saying that the latter may not suit us better, but it's hardly 'taking back control'.
Wrong I’m afraid. EFTA has joint free trade agreements but doesn’t have a common external tariff structure.
https://www.efta.int/About-EFTA/Frequently-asked-questions-EFTA-EEA-EFTA-membership-and-Brexit-328676Button likes this
Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
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Pablo, you're right; I'm amazed but wrong in my 4225, 7 and 9, to the extent that, whilst the UK has to abide by the EFTA tariff as a "maximum", it can undercut it with its own deals. Doesn't help the Dover Straits, but very interesting for traders!
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Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
- Posts: 614
Button, there’s been a concerted attempt to discredit the EFTA/EEA route ever since the ERG reared it’s ugly head.
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Button- Location: Dover
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49183324
This includes recruiting an extra 500 border force officers, in addition to 500 already announced,
while there will also be more money for training customs agents
Former Border Force director-general Tony Smith said the extra money was a "step in the right direction" but more should have been done earlier. "I don't understand why this wasn't implemented three years ago when the government knew we were leaving the European Union," he said.
Bang-on.
BTW, you can divide the number of Officers by 3 or 4 when talking about 24x7 environments across the country (because it is posts, not individual Officers, that counts). And I would've thought that HMRC staffing should also be upped, along with prioritization of processing Dover declarations at the Salford NCH (National Clearance Hub); better, in fact, that the NCH function is delegated back to the regions.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
Full security clearance always used to take about 3 months last time I was involved.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
uncertain times ahead, and things going down hill fast. when will it all end.
Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,065
UKBF recruited a load back in the Spring, but then stood them all down again - don't know whether that was after training, I assume not.
Ah, that's not a lot:
https://fta.co.uk/media/press-releases/2019/august/fta-comment-on-the-government-s-no-deal-funding-fo
More, and very sensible, reaction:
https://www.rha.uk.net/news/2019-07-july/roadwayupdate-31-july(Not my real name.)
Button- Location: Dover
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Gary39- Registered: 7 Jul 2017
- Posts: 451
DHB cannot even get Dover TAP right.... they blame everyone else accept themselves. They are very good at passing the buck
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
dover came to a standstill a week ago, been like it for 5 years or so. it happens at easter and the start of the summer holidays. its about time some one sorted it.
people where blaming the ferry operaters for the delays. but you would have thought people started staggering the start of there holidays wouldn't you, instead of all trying to get to port at the same time.
will it be like that when Brexit finaly happens.
Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
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Brian Dixon wrote:dover came to a standstill a week ago...
people where blaming the ferry operaters for the delays. but you would have thought people started staggering the start of there holidays wouldn't you, instead of all trying to get to port at the same time.
will it be like that when Brexit finaly happens.
Depends whether your 'it' Brian means Dover coming to a standstill or, like post 4240, blaming the fallout on the carriers/DHB. As regards the standstill:
IF Brexit triggers delays to or bunching of outbound tourist or freight traffic and queues result
AND IF drivers think they can circumvent the queues by using "the old A2", "the old A20", or allied routes
THEN there is a significant risk that Dover will become gridlocked.
(Come to think of it, the icing on the cake would be some prat using the Alkham valley and taking out the bridge at River.)
As regards blame:
YES.
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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I am fascinated to see public attitudes to a gridlocked Dover in the event of a no deal. Will those keen to leave the EU at all costs be happy to sit in hours of traffic to go about their daily business - is that a price worth paying? No doubt the rhetoric will be it is all the EU's fault - but that doesn't give your car the ability to sprout wings and fly.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,895
Why is everything to do with Brexit and us leaving the EU portrayed as doom and gloom, nobody actually knows what will happen.
There are bound to be benefits and losses for everyone on both sides of the Channel.
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Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
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I don't think it is; I was careful to say 'IF' and 'risk'. Mind you, I remember life before completion of the EU Single Market, in bad weather, during the refit season and periods of industrial action...
I note that Mr Carney, when he forecast the chances of a Brexit-related economic downturn as 2 to 1 against, was promptly lambasted by IDS for launching Project Fear mk2.
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