Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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The more this week goes on, the more I am convinced this is all a double bluff - Government deliberately trying to wind up Parliament in the hope it blocks a no deal, with Boris able to extend A50 and say it's not his fault.
Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
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"What does this mean? Will EU citizens still be able to come here on holiday?
EU citizens will still be able to come to the UK on holiday and for short trips, but what will change is the arrangements for people coming to the UK for longer periods of time and for work and study. "
And we can tell the difference at the border because..
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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.... you will ask them questions and look in their bags for evidence that 'more than a visit was intended'.
Just like we used to do and is done at borders the world over.
'If no one went no faster than what I do there'd be a sight less trouble in this world'
Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
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Yup. A temptation to the French to move the process to the UK perhaps?
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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This has all the fingerprints of a SPAD briefing that has zero policy work up behind it. Interesting to see if the policy is moved to meet the rhetoric, or the rhetoric moved to meet the policy.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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I think we should have an added definition about the word Brexit-----Supposed intelligent people showing a complete lack of common sense when faced with something slightly different.
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Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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Neil Moors wrote:This has all the fingerprints of a SPAD briefing that has zero policy work up behind it. Interesting to see if the policy is moved to meet the rhetoric, or the rhetoric moved to meet the policy.
If there is no policy work how can either be moved to meet the other?
Me thinks your post is just words strung together with no coherent string holding them together!
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Button wrote:Yup. A temptation to the French to move the process to the UK perhaps?
Which would be a strange thing to do as juxtaposed controls work in the interests of both parties.
There is surely little difference between our agreement with the French (Le Touquet) and flights using 'pre clearance' by US Customs and Border Protection the world over (including France)?
'If no one went no faster than what I do there'd be a sight less trouble in this world'
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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'If no one went no faster than what I do there'd be a sight less trouble in this world'
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Captain Haddock wrote:Which would be a strange thing to do as juxtaposed controls work in the interests of both parties.
There is surely little difference between our agreement with the French (Le Touquet) and flights using 'pre clearance' by US Customs and Border Protection the world over (including France)?
An arrangement already publicly described as unsustainable by one influential Calaisian.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Reginald Barrington wrote:If there is no policy work how can either be moved to meet the other?
Me thinks your post is just words strung together with no coherent string holding them together!
I know what I mean
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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ray hutstone wrote:An arrangement already publicly described as unsustainable by one influential Calaisian.
If you mean Xavier Bertrand, head of the Hauts-de-France region, I would no more listen to his views on immigration policy than Paul Carter, Leader of KCC, in each case it's 'well beyond their pay-grade'.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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The comment was made by Jean-Marc Puissesseau on UK radio. He's the chap who has so firmly rejected claims about delays at Calais port. I would rather listen to his views than those of one who talks a lot but knows little (regardless of pay grade).
Button- Location: Dover
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Juxtaposition of people controls does indeed have advantages, not least keeping baddies away (good for state and carriers) and avoiding the pulse effect on the controls themselves (good for ports and travellers). The question is whether we have the capacity to conduct extra controls without causing longer queues (and I still don't understand if there will be extra UK controls wef 1st November).
If we don't, then the advantages reduce. Still, it's nice to see any Frenchman putting his trust in UKBF and declaring there will be no queues. I'm sure we all feel the same about PAF's capacity to conduct any extra EU controls within the Eastern Docks.
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Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
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Jean-Marc doesn’t control the French douaniers or the PAF any more than Richard Everitt controls UKBF. Therefore he’s not in a position to pronounce with any real authority on the subject. And the Douane report to Bercy, not to the local prefect.
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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So Boris is, of course, rolling the pitch to avoid blame. You'll note recently that the EU is to blame for being unreasonable in not reopening the Withdrawal Agreement, and the UK Parliament is to blame for the EU taking that approach.
I come back to the question I posed some days ago now - given that the Government seems to take the view that as long as it can point the finger of blame at the EU, everything will be fine. So, given Dover is the front line - how true is that? ***IF*** there is gridlock in Dover for months after any no deal, are people likely to think "Oh well, it has taken me an hour to get from Elms Vale to Tesco, and there is no food on the shelves when I get there, but not to worry - it's the EU's fault". That literally seems to be the Government strategy. Interested to see how it flies...
Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
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A bit like 1938/39. May (Chamberlain) returns from Europe waving a piece of paper. Europe (Germany) reckons the issue is sorted. May (Chamberlain) is jettisoned and a new PM says No, it’s not sorted at all. Europe (Germany) says Go on, make my day.
You know the rest.
Guest 3065- Registered: 10 Jan 2019
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Well Boris is doing a great job so far and the EU don't want to re negotiate so we will be leaving with no deal brilliant roll on 31st October freedom and independence day
Guest 3065- Registered: 10 Jan 2019
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Well Boris is doing a great job so far and the EU don't want to re negotiate so we will be leaving with no deal brilliant roll on 31st October freedom and independence day