Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
The majority voted to leave.We donot need the likes of Corbyn trying to stop it.God
help us all if he ever gets to,lead the country.At least Boris even with his funny hair has got the;b.....to stand up to the European Parliament.We. Need some one to lead .
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Guest 3065- Registered: 10 Jan 2019
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Exactly well said sue Nicholas
Guest 3065- Registered: 10 Jan 2019
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Brian dixon rubbish we need brexit we need to leave the eu before they distroy us there's nothing good about the eu they just want to control us and that's it happening anymore, there corrupt, thet want an EU army thank god we are leaving oh and as for trump he's a good president to thinks of his country and people just like our Boris johnson
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
sue, that's a bit biased isn't.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
kimmie, we need the eu to help with peace amongst us. and besides they are no more corrupt than our government.
Guest 3065- Registered: 10 Jan 2019
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Brian we don't need the EU to help with peace we can do it ourselves still doesn't make it right just because our government are to
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
kimmie cooperation from are European friends helps more than going it alone.
Guest 3065- Registered: 10 Jan 2019
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I'm sure there are other countries that can help with peace outside the EU
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
do you have a short memory kimmie or didn't you do history lessons at school. look up allies ww1/ww2 for starters.
Guest 3065- Registered: 10 Jan 2019
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We will be fine as usual u remainers just like to scaremongering the EU cant help with peace if countries are going to fall out there's nothing they can do to stop it
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
- Posts: 1,299
It's all gone crazy. Who knows what's coming next. For what it's worth, I am STILL convinced Boris has no intention of leaving without a deal - he is trying to provoke Parliament into blocking him so he can say it is not his fault.
Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,061
Post 4314: our (non-empire) allies in 1914 were: Belgium, France, Japan, Montenegro, Russia and Serbia... see
https://www.dearoldblighty.com/en-GB/all-items/ww1-princess-mary-christmas-1914-gift-fund-tin/prod_15263#.XWdvQN_TWUA. I still have our tin, funnily enough.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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# 4306 Sue, your unwavering loyalty to the Tory party is rather partisan, don't you think? Do you simply dismiss the views of proven statesmen like Heseltine, Patten and Major? The latter is said to be stepping up his efforts for a judicial review of Johnson's strategy to avoid parliamentary scrutiny, such is his strength of feeling.
And what about the recent high flyers - Clark, Liddington, Hammond. What do you think motivates their opposition? They're all 'bed wetters' presumably (to borrow Reg's rather puerile description).
Corbyn is no leader to my mind but can you imagine the sputtering, incandescent rage we would have seen from the likes of Rees-Mogg, the Daily Mail, Duncan-Smith and co if he had tried to pull off a stunt like this?
And does it never strike you as relevant that the parliamentary proponents of a hard Brexit are all totally financially insulated from its inevitable adverse effects?
The idea that all this will come to a peaceful end after a Halloween crash is naive in the extreme. We will still need to trade with Europe, co-operate with Europe and share with Europe. OK, so we slam the door finally and head off to our sunlit uplands. How long before we find ourselves shouting through the letterbox asking for some means of mitigating the consequences of this stupidity?
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
Yes at times like this I’m a true Tory.I donot have a problem with the suspension of Parliament after all we have not had a Queens speech for two years.Yes I voted to leave three years ago .More people voted to leave a vote was taken the biggest turn out for years.When we have a General election and someone gets elected on a small majority do we all shout let’s vote again.I think Boris is a very strong leaders I never cared for John Major a wimp .The speaker is not impartial and holds on although he should have stepped down.For the past two years hardly y any parliamentary decisions have been made .Two years of Mps arguing .Scotland s Leader has her Agenda.
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Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,886
The huge problem at the moment is that all sides are so busy arguing and fighting with each other that nothing new will or can happen. At least Boris has taken a strong stance unlike Mrs May and will hopefully get this mess sorted.
The anti Brexit Westminster lot of all parties are the ones who have caused all the mayhem that is happening now simply because they did not agree with what was a democratic referendum result so have raised objections to every new idea.
I also think an agreement will be reached possibly by a simple and pointless word change, something along the lines of a 'maybe' instead of 'possibly' then nobody on either side looses face.
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Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,061
I recall that pro-Brexit MPs were not exactly backward in coming forward when it came to voting down the Withdrawal Agreement negotiated... a number of whom currently hold more-exalted positions than they did formerly.
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,886
True Button, careers before principles and representing their constituents wishes seems to be the cry for far to many of our politicians.
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
- Posts: 1,299
Having thought more about this, I think I can see a plan:
1. Boris is going to bring something back from Brussels that looks and smells just like the original withdrawal agreement - but with some backstop related tweaks. It won't be removed - it might be reworded.
2. The above agreement is going to look so close to the original one, he needs a new session of Parliament to avoid the Speaker saying that this is more of the same!
3. Of course, the ERG (and Farage) will be furious with this, but they simply don't have the numbers to do anything about it and because this process has spooked everyone so much it becomes this agreement or a no deal Brexit. End result, Parliament reluctantly votes it through - just in time for 31 Oct.
4. Boris then calls a GE on the back of being the PM who got Brexit done.
This whole plan assumes that most traditional Tories will buy anything from Boris, so long as he does that Boris thing of punching the air and mentioning positive spirit etc. etc. Also, No. 10 is already rolling the pitch by talking down any expectation of changing anything more than the backstop (which is a big demand of the ERG and Farage).
There you go, until my next theory
Guest 3065- Registered: 10 Jan 2019
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Neil Moore no Boris won't do that because of he did its the end of the tories and everyone will vote for the brexit party and nigel farage will end up being prime minister
Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,061
Well, it's a nice theory. And why does Boris spend his spare time painting model buses if he's not gearing up for a GE?
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