Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 5,981
Agree Jan .I cannot understand why the lorries are not held back before they even get to Maidstone.Boats take so many lorries surely when one boat is well on its way to be loaded ,why not. Release another boat load.Not hold them all around Dover.Surely they know how long it takes to process a lorries documentation.Why don’t we have more police controlling the roundabouts?
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,655
I was generalising Button.
Sue that would mean using common sense, something not used by far too many of our policy makers.
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 5,981
Yes Jan .I find it very frustrating.Too many meetings and no action.
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 2,839
At least a gridlocked Dover will be less of a killing field for asthmatics, kinder on our poor ears and noses, not to say our clothes, and offer fewer opportunities for, albeit hilarious, displays of machismo, when the trucks have converted to electrickery.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 7,469
'If no one went no faster than what I do there'd be a sight less trouble in this world'
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
I'm yet to hear a convincing argument for Brexit apart from the vague notion that we will trip gaily away to the sunlit uplands of a free trade utopia unshackled by the bonds foisted upon us by those evil Brussels bureaucrats. The problem with this is that it doesn't stand up to any rational analysis.
We haven't even succeeded in rolling over our existing trade deals currently enjoyed as members of the single market. And anyone who thinks that the US under Trump will do anything other than try to feather their own nest at our expense is seriously deluded in my view. And even if they were, there is every indication that a deal would be rejected by congress if the Good Friday Agreement is jeopardized. The rest of the word will always be more persuaded by the buying power of a free trade bloc of nearly 600m people than they will be our limited market.
As a result of this anti-EU deception, we now have a country governed by the most right-wing faction of the Tory party in my lifetime. Party loyalty is one thing but supporting this mob of discredited hypocrites at the country's expense is something completely different. Thank heavens for the likes of Dominic Grieve (and others) who at least give old fashioned former Tories like me a semblance of pride.
On a local level, today's 'The World this Weekend' on Radio 4 contains an interesting look at the issues surrounding Kent and the Nord-pas-de Calais were there to be a no deal Brexit. About 70% of the programme is dedicated to it so it's worth a listen on catch-up if all you optimists dare open your eyes a little wider. The most interesting thing from my career history perspective was hearing the ever ebullient Jean-Marc Puissesseau from Calais hinting in the strongest terms that the Le Touquet Treaty would be unsustainable. Now who would have thought that?
Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 2,900
Oh tsk tsk!
Sue - not sure what roundabouts you had in mind, but read this:
https://www.elphicke.com/news/stopping-lorries-jumping-queue-and-clogging-local-roads.
And Ray, you gloom-monger you, here's one for you:
https://www.elphicke.com/news/ramping-preparations-brexit!
Simples and, with WTO protective tariffs in place, I'm tempted to start a cottage industry olive grove in my back garden and beat those EU producers at their own game!
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
button don't forget the garlic. a must have herb.
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
I can assure you that I am a most jovial chap by nature, Button.
Incidentally, your friend and mine, John Keefe, offers his considerable wisdom on the radio programme. On the whole, it is provides a much more realistic portrayal than anything in Charlie's waffle. September general election anyone?
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
why not, bring it on. lets clear out some buffoons and morons.
Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 2,900
Well that keeps us in balance then Ray, since by nature I suspect everyone of being a ne'er-do-well, which is why my first job suited me so well!
How's about this for a "no-deal" advantage: those jolly PAF types, eager to be on time for their juxtaposed duties and mindful of the risk of gridlock, take to staying overnight in Dover and hence boost the local economy?
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
- Posts: 1,225
The best thing about no deal is that Farage goes away - forever! If it is a success, we'll not need to hear from him; if it is a disaster - he'll run for the hills anyway.
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
Wishful thinking, I fear, Neil. Brexit has only ever been a springboard for a much wider agenda of neocon ambitions. Listen to Steve Bannon and understand how keen he is disrupt the values that have helped maintain peace in Western Europe since the war.
The only good thing about Farage's continued presence is that he and Cummings appear to loathe each other to such a degree that Farage will not countenance a pact with the current Tory team. Fortunately this increases the chance of a split in the leave vote at the forthcoming election.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 7,469
Neither funny nor grown up:-
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
whats up bob, did it get up your nose. maybe some truth in it.
Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 2,900
Tut-tut, shock horror; it seems someone has been leaking assessments of the potential impacts of a "no-deal" Brexit to the press:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-49390863 and
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49388402.
Cue outrage (or even OUTRAGE).
Not sure why really, since the assessments were shared with industry some time ago, re-assessed at/improved to the quoted 50-70% figure [freight delayed as percentage of total] last April and further improved to 40-60% earlier this month - as reported by the BBC:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49270872.
I guess a week is a long time in journalism. Finally, in breaking news from the Edinburgh fringe: "What's driving Brexit? From here it looks like it's probably the Duke of Edinburgh" boom-boom!
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
we will find out the truth at 0001 the 1st of november.
as for the Edinburgh festival, they all want paying in euros for some reason. lol
Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 2,900
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49393556.
"Theresa May's government had considered extending freedom of movement to 2021 or allowing EU citizens to stay in the UK for three months before having to apply for a longer stay. However both those options have now been dropped, in favour of a new approach which will be set out later." Define 'later'.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 7,469
'If no one went no faster than what I do there'd be a sight less trouble in this world'