Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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an epic fail then.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Another example of not being able to hide post Brexit. Even if you believe this nonsense, then investment in our region MUST be forthcoming. Governments will no longer be able to say "look over there everyone, nasty EU, migration, bendy bananas, it's all terrible" - they'll have to take responsibility for their own (in)action. Bring it on!
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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The blame for anything adverse after we leave (if we ever do) will be blamed entirely on the EU. In any event, the main Brexit protagonists have gone way past the stage of accountability.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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I blame the 17.4 million traiters who voted for Brexit plus those buffoons idiots at Westminster.
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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I know we live in confusing times, but I think it's clear that expressing an opinion in the form of a vote isn't a capital offence.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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was that after 2 bottles of gin with a splash of tonic water and a large wad of 50s stuffed in an envelope.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Where's Gina Miller when you need her?!
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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in a back room plotting her next move
Button- Location: Dover
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It hasn't occurred to me until now, that 'No deal'/trading with the EU on WTO terms is commonly held to be synonymous with a "hard Brexit". What I mean is, the alternatives of being in a Customs union or FTA with them are equally seen as part and parcel of withdrawal. I don't think the option of trading on WTO terms, but following an agreed withdrawal/transition period, has really hit home - at least, not to me.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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The Oct date is looming and looking at the commons poor old Boris looks unlikely to push it all over the line in time.
Who will he then blame?
the saga goes on and on ,,,,,
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Guest 3366- Registered: 24 Jul 2019
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:Courtesy of the Sunday Times.
Theresa May is preparing to offer Jeremy Corbyn a legally binding soft Brexit deal with a “Boris lock” that would make it difficult for a future Eurosceptic prime minister to tear up after she leaves No 10.
In a last-ditch attempt to leave the EU this year, May’s team is drawing up plans to enshrine in law a guarantee that MPs would have the ultimate say on a final deal with Brussels. Senior figures in Downing Street will tell Tory MPs that they face a “stark choice” — accept a rebranded customs union with Brussels or “lose Brexit”.
Cross-party talks stalled on Friday after Labour complained that May was not prepared to rewrite the political declaration with Brussels, which maps out what Britain wants from the second phase of negotiations. But in a sign that May is prepared to soften her approach, Philip Hammond, the chancellor, said the government had “no red lines” left. Under the new plan, the prime minister would offer to rewrite the government’s withdrawal bill to enshrine a customs arrangement in law. That is designed to satisfy Labour fears that any deal reached with May would be ripped up by her successor. The “Boris lock” would mean a Eurosceptic leader taking over would have to overturn primary legislation to get a hard Brexit. In another concession, which would enrage her party, May’s aides have discussed offering Labour a seat in her delegation to Wednesday’s EU summit.
May hopes to secure a deal with Labour before the European Council meeting, when she will ask for an extension to the Brexit deadline until June 30. In a boost for the cross-party talks, a snap poll by Labour found 42% of voters backed the parties co-operating, with 27% opposed. Labour, Tory, remain and leave voters all backed the talks by significant margins. May warned Eurosceptics last night that unless they back her, Brexit could be lost altogether because the UK would be forced into a long extension that would give remainers space to revoke article 50 or force a second referendum. “The longer this takes, the greater the risk of the UK never leaving,” May said. “It would mean letting the Brexit the British people voted for slip through our fingers. I will not stand for that. We have a stark choice: leave the European Union with a deal or do not leave.” More than 100 grassroots Tory chairmen and party officers signed a letter urging May to resign for trying to do business with Labour. They warned that the Conservatives would be “decimated” in local or European elections “if we don’t deliver what the country knows to be Brexit.
“Mrs May working with Mr Corbyn to turn Brexit into essentially staying in the EU without a vote at the table is considered by many activists as the last straw. “This is a step too far, which will destroy our party.” The new offer to Labour comes as May’s team uncovered a plot by remainer MPs, in concert with John Bercow, the Commons Speaker, to try as early as tomorrow to force a second referendum to be held.
Tory sources claimed that Bercow has agreed to tear up Commons rules again to allow MPs to apply for an emergency debate and then vote on a substantive motion in support of a second referendum.
Emergency debates do not normally come with binding votes. But a senior government source accused MPs backing a referendum and Bercow of “cooking this up for weeks”. Led by Tom Brake, a Liberal Democrat, the MPs plan to pair a referendum with another soft Brexit option, such as a customs union to maximise support. If ministers organise new votes on different Brexit alternatives, they want to isolate the referendum option so it can be defeated.
If the EU are unhappy about the ascension of Boris, then the Brexiteers should rejoice.
Button- Location: Dover
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According to the BBC: 'Chancellor Sajid Javid has pledged extra funding to help prepare for a no-deal scenario.
Writing in the Sunday Telegraph, Mr Javid said there would be "significant extra funding" for 500 new Border Force officers and "possible" improved infrastructure at British ports.'
Ah, good - a quick fix; can't think why that wasn't hit upon before! (Surprised that he didn't go for civilians co-opted as immigration and customs officers and paid for by ports.)
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Button- Location: Dover
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49142762
"The Chancellor has confirmed all necessary funding will be made available for vital no deal preparations. This includes funding for a major nationwide communications campaign to ensure that people and businesses are ready.
Crucially, while there is more to do, the CBI observes that the UK is ahead of the EU in planning for no deal."
Quite. I'm surprised that the major communications campaign isn't international then.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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The Today programme this morning reported that £100m had been set aside for PR (sorry, nationwide communications) to convince us that everything will be fine. Rather puts into context the £9m that became such a cause celebre for Cameron and Osborne spending on their referendum leaflet.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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will the 100 million go towards paying the unenemployed car workers at elmsmere port.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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We're now shouting so loudly about leaving without a deal, we are either bluffing, or, sticking it all on red and hoping for the best. Worrying times.
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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There has always been a small section of the Tory party (and I include in that Farage who was once a Tory) for whom leaving with any sort of a deal was anathema.
The problem now is that that small section exclusively comprises the current cabinet.
Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
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ray hutstone wrote:There has always been a small section of the Tory party (and I include in that Farage who was once a Tory) for whom leaving with any sort of a deal was anathema.
The problem now is that that small section exclusively comprises the current cabinet.
Not entirely true. Farage used to hold out the EEA/EFTA option as a viable exit strategy.
Button- Location: Dover
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Well he's a nut then; we'd exchange one externally-facing, common/compromise tariff structure (the EU's) for another (EFTA's). I'm not saying that the latter may not suit us better, but it's hardly 'taking back control'.
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