howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Whilst our political masters were battling for their careers today under the guise of our exit deal the Dutch Government has taken on a 1000 new customs officers. This is all very well if everything reverts to the paperwork and rules before free movement, just a question of digging up files nearly 30 years old for training purposes.
The next problem, and it is an enormous one, will be to train up tens of thousands of freight forwarding staff which will be much more complicated.
Button- Location: Dover
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There's the potential for "customs" infrastructure in The Netherlands too. At its UK-facing ports and airports I assume it's largely a question of volumes of declarations (tax gathering and refund processing) and BIP/CAP inspections on behalf of the Dutch and other Member States, as the UK joins the ranks of non-EU countries. But there is also the question of inland clearance of UK (and Irish) goods arriving from the Dover Straits routes - I haven't checked to see what customs offices the Dutch have.
The same goes for the other Member States to a greater or lesser extent.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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so what are you lot are saying the town of dover will be a large lorry park until the lorrys are custom cleared.
Button- Location: Dover
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Possibly. That's not ducking the question honest, but it depends whether trade with the EU needs customs and other clearance and, if so, where that can be done (AND how to get the lorries to/from there). Of course, as DHB has been saying for really quite some time (and government has acknowledged), the port doesn't have that kind of space in the Eastern Docks. Cheriton, Coquelles, Calais and Dunkerque face the same issue.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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so by keeping as it is will be better all round. and don't forget frantic Friday is just around the corner.
ps, it has happened before and no doubt it will happen again, but more often.
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Most of the main EU - UK trading countries are preparing for a hard Brexit. Apart from the UK, of course. We still believe that we will be able to carve out our own unique role as a 3rd country which will not necessitate such preparations.
Fantasy island.
Button- Location: Dover
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Couple of laughs for you then, Mr Hutstone.
From HMG benches:
https://mobile.twitter.com/CharlieElphicke/status/1019567796588568578
And from HM Loyal Opposition benches as reported by the BBC:
'Mr Corbyn scoffed at the idea that 27 member states would set up new bureaucracies to collect tariffs just to satisfy the warring Tory party.'
Pst, Jeremy, go check out what currently happens when goods arrive at one Member State (eg. at Felixstowe or Rotterdam) but are destined for another Member State (Germany, say). Answer: duty is typically suspended until it's collected in Germany. Yup, you've been debating somewhat of a red herring.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Courtesy of the Times - don't panic, don't panic.
Theresa May is to put the country on a no-deal Brexit footing this summer as she prepares a series of public warnings about the impact of leaving the European Union without agreement. Consumers and companies will be given detailed advice in weekly “bundles” from the start of next week on how to prepare for “a disorderly Brexit”, under government plans.
Ministers have so far refused to expand on a commitment to release 70 technical notices on “no-deal” contingencies after the Chequers agreement on the next stage in negotiations with Brussels.
The development came as:
• Michel Barnier warned Mrs May that her Chequers plan breached basic European principles and she would need to make further concessions for a deal.
• The International Monetary Fund said that Britain’s departure from the single market and customs union would do as much economic damage to Ireland as it would to the UK.
• The prime minister prepared to make a speech in Northern Ireland insisting that she would not jeopardise the Union by agreeing to the EU’s customs plan.
• Julian Smith, the Tory chief whip, was said to have admitted intending to break the “paired voting system” before Brexit votes in the Commons this week.
Up to 250,000 small businesses in Britain are about to be asked to start preparing to make customs declarations for the first time as part of the government’s summer campaign. Ministers will tell the businesses, which export to the EU but not beyond, to invest in customs arrangements at the point “we think a no deal is likely”, Sir Mark Sedwill, the cabinet secretary, said. Another leading civil servant, John Manzoni, told MPs yesterday that ministers would have to balance causing unnecessary alarm with giving prudent advice. “There needs to be a narrative to say, ‘Actually we don’t want this to happen but we have to prepare just in case it does and here are all the things that we have to do’,” he said. Advice to British travellers to buy health insurance to replace reciprocal arrangements rendered invalid could be part of the campaign, Hilary Benn, head of the Commons Brexit committee, said. Others have speculated that the advice will include warnings of huge disruption at ports and airports and advice on stockpiling food.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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What a load of rubbish we get on here from time to time.
John Buckley- Registered: 6 Oct 2013
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“and advice on stockpiling food“
Easy........just buy a bigger cupboard!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Vic Matcham wrote:What a load of rubbish we get on here from time to time.
Constructive criticism always welcome here, we can all learn from it.
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Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
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Sorry Howard but the FT was in the forefront of Project Fear right from the very beginning of the referendum campaign. This is just more of the same.
Button- Location: Dover
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I think the M26 is interesting - never heard of that before and don't know what to make of it to be honest. I assume this would be for coast-bound traffic, but I'm not sure what the trigger would be for calling-down lorries - nor who would police compliance.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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With no real indication that either side are really serious about making a deal it is no surprise that many businesses are fearing the worst and making plans that are unlikely to change if an agreement is reached by both sides. What I don't quite understand is that a two year transition period from next March was agreed, does this not hold if there is no leaving deal?
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I think that's correct - the transition period falls under the "nothing's agreed till it's all agreed" umbrella.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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or other wise a great big cock up on both sides.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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That seems to be it as yet another proposal from our side is rejected and our Leaderene has stated that she will not give any more ground. The good news is that Poundland has good value long life milk in stock.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-eu-uk-chequers-white-paper-michel-barnier-theresa-may-a8456416.htmlJohn Buckley- Registered: 6 Oct 2013
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Nicky Morgan, a leading remoaner says......”If ‘no deal’ could lead to empty supermarket shelves and medicine shortages, the public has a right to know.”
Quite right too, we should be told if we are going to starve to death due to a lack of European manky meat, veg and fruit or alternatively die due to a lack of some medicine availability. Looks like the EU wouldn’t care either way about us though, despite the sacrifices the UK has made in saving their skins on previous occasions.
Another good reason I suspect to have struck and arranged various trade deals with other “friendly” countries before now, without waiting for prior permission to do so from our masters in Brussels?
Shouldn’t the welfare of our own people be more important than constantly sucking up to the EU?