Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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For those not on Facebook can you upload the photos please Brian?
Anyway as I see it, leadership contest or not, there is no chance now of leaving with some sort of arrangement with the EU as there is simply not the time left or the will to do so.
The bureaucrats were right all along in saying that us leaving was more about Tory party infighting than what was right for our country.
We all seem agreed that our PM is a hopeless case that can only do robotic responses and has no core values. She was a Remain supporter leading up to the Referendum but never campaigned so in the event of a vote to leave her career prospects would not be harmed.
Appointing David Davis into his previous position was a dire one as he has been in Brussels no more than a few hours this entire year. Any new leader would not have any time to strike a deal good for us and from what I understand wouldn't really want to anyway. Dogma wins the day and bugger the rest of us.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Good summary, Howard.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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We still haven't seen the full wording but it appears that we will be leaving the single market and customs union. It then goes on to say there will be frictionless trade between us and the EU which doesn't seem possible to me.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44799469Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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the whole Brexit thing is dead in the water.
PatrickS- Location: Marine Parade, Dover
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All semantics Howard.
It’s not what we are getting out of - it’s what we might be getting INTO, no matter by what name it is called, that really matters.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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It is time Mrs MAY went she was no good in the home office,now she cannot get us out of the EU with our heads up Mr tramp is right out should be out that is what the public voted for ,not for half in and half out .We should go pay nothing out already done that over many years and at war time
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Agreeing to pay a divorce bill despite legal experts saying we owed nothing is one thing but offering to pay it with nothing in return says it all about our negotiators. As we had no leverage there the EU could carry on knowing they had the upper hand. Having said that, in the unlikely event of it getting through the Commons the EU will dismiss the plans out of hand.
John Buckley- Registered: 6 Oct 2013
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Fair points made Howard, but think that you’re being more than generous in describing our side as “negotiators“. No doubt someone will tell me I’m wrong, but from what I’ve seen to date we haven’t actually negotiated anything to our benefit have we? Still, suppose that shouldn’t come as a surprise when we walk into each and every meeting waving the white flag begging for crumbs!
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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the drivers for remain are basically the rich,, the rich have profited hugely from EU membership, whilst the taxpayers get stuck with the membership bill.
the rich get all the cheap workers for maximum profits, and every time a new country is added to the EU, the rich get to buy up land and assets for peanuts whilst pushing NATO closer to the Russian borders.
Blair is extremely active in Albania? prime waterfront real estate,, they can all smell the cash.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I have listened to all the main players on other side of the divide and most come to the same conclusions that the plan is unworkable plus we would have no say in any new EU rulings.
On the plus side we will not be paying in anymore but our service sector would take a serious hit.
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:I have listened to all the main players on other side of the divide and most come to the same conclusions that the plan is unworkable plus we would have no say in any new EU rulings.
On the plus side we will not be paying in anymore but our service sector would take a serious hit.
But the GOVErnment have had enough of experts.
In all seriousness, BREXIT will absolutely be a mess, it always would be. I voted to leave and I don't regret it, I was under no illusion, I knew it would not be good in the short term. The trick is to make a curate's egg out of a bad egg - the medium and long term can be better and, democratically speaking, when full BREXIT happens the elected politicians will be unexcusably answerable once again. That said, I am unconvinced that May and her white paper will give the 52% the
red lines that they actually voted for.
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Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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From this point on, I see no other result than the collapse of Government. In among all the madness, it is easy to forget that we currently have a minority Government - so pretty difficult to get business through is normal circumstances, let alone now. Add to this that Brexit, in its entirety, was about advancing personal vested interests, it was never going to be any other way, I guess.
The question now is just how long it takes to play out - starting with some difficult votes over the next couple of days.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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The white paper has little support from anywhere and it is now looking like a second Referendum is on the cards.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44840154Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Well a disappointed sour grapes ex-minister has said there should be one which is completely different to it being "on the cards".
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I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Wait and see.