Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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another no go bulls up.
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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We will never be able to out negotiate Europe - because the cards ARE stacked in its favour. The two biggest issues I see is that first, they know the Irish border issue is unsolvable and therefore untouchable from a UK perspective, and second, they don't have any voters to worry about!
The question now is with all this undercurrent of betrayal - how on earth can the Tory party survive?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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They will tear themselves apart knowing they will survive because there is no effective opposition. Labour are just as split on the issue as them and at the end of the day people will vote mainly on the economy and how well they are doing out of it.
Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 2,915
You're almost saying that the most effective opposition to the Tories is: the Tories.
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Bob Whysman- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
- Posts: 1,919
For me the Brexit fiasco has finally made me feel that it’s not worth following any longer so I now choose Mexit to be the preferable option.
As the French peasant said wearily driving his donkey cart through the French countryside: “ Je suits que je suis mais je ne suis pas que je suis.”
Do nothing and nothing happens.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,668
Bob Whysman wrote:For me the Brexit fiasco has finally made me feel that it’s not worth following any longer
I have not properly read any posts about Brexit for a while, 99% of the time they are copied media bumph or members already known prejudiced views.
I usually glance at the post and go straight back to the forum.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
oh dear, oh dear, oh dear, david davis the Brexit secatery has resigned from his post. talk about rats jumping a sinking ship. which rat will be the next to jump ship, my guess is boris Johnson.
Button- Location: Dover
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Quite appropriate, the Minister for DExEu exiting; now all we have to do is to take back control of our language:
"Fantastic news. Well done David Davis for having the principal and guts to resign. I take my hat off to you. We need to make sure this is now a game changer for #Brexit."
https://mobile.twitter.com/andreajenkyns
Seriously, I wonder if English will remain an official EU language.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I doubt David Davis has principles, more likely that his Constituency Chairperson threatened to deselect him. Michael Gove could be next.
Button- Location: Dover
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Possibly a tad unfair; he has resigned before.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
Perfect example of the Peter Principle. He never had the intelligence or attention to detail needed to do the job in the first place. How many hours has he spent in Brussels in the last 4 months? So far out of his depth that it's a miracle it took this long.
Guest 1831- Registered: 1 Sep 2016
- Posts: 395
Theresa May does not want to leave the EU never has.
It all stems from this.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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To all intents and purposes the PM follows the advice of a civil servant rather than listen to Ministers.
She had two political advisors doing the same at the last General Election and we know how that turned out.
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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ray hutstone wrote:Perfect example of the Peter Principle. He never had the intelligence or attention to detail needed to do the job in the first place. How many hours has he spent in Brussels in the last 4 months? So far out of his depth that it's a miracle it took this long.
For all we know David Davis might have come up with the ideal solution for the UK that the EU might have accepted after a little tinkering only to be thwarted by the PM and her B civil servant pals.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
government should have come up with an agreement prior to the infamous vote, then got on with the job which way the vote went. oh I forgot that would have been to easy wouldn't it.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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#2072 - Hmm. Yes. Not really a lot of evidence to support that though, Jan. Unless you know something I don't, in which case I'm all ears.
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 2,872
Well, with Dominic 'austerity max' Raab in charge I guess we now know what's for afters, even if we don't yet know what the main course is. Best just enjoy the complimentary hors d'oeuvres being served up by the mismanagement.
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Button- Location: Dover
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Lions and donkeys springs to mind.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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ray hutstone wrote:#2072 - Hmm. Yes. Not really a lot of evidence to support that though, Jan. Unless you know something I don't, in which case I'm all ears.
According to people who have worked with him he has never had an original thought and any problems are passed on to his staff.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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The Foreign Secretary has fallen on his sword now which is an unwise move as I see it.