howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Courtesy of the Telegraph
David Davis has written to the Prime Minister warning that her plan for Brexit to be presented to the Cabinet at Chequers on Friday is unworkable. The Telegraph can reveal the Brexit Secretary has sent a letter, setting out his opposition to Theresa May's so-called "third way" plan, amid concerns the EU will reject it out of hand. In the last-ditch letter, he says the compromise plan the Prime Minister intends to present will fail because it is simply a customs partnership with some additional technological elements.
The letter expresses fears that the EU has already rejected the idea of allowing a third-party country, as Britain will be after Brexit, to police its borders and that discussing such an option is a waste of time, sources told this newspaper. Mr Davis is understood to be frustrated that Mrs May and her chief negotiator Olly Robbins are refusing to acknowledge the EU's position, setting up the UK to fail.
A Department for Exiting the European Union source said: "David Davis is working closely with the Prime Minister ahead of Chequers." Mr Davis was not present at Prime Minister's Questions, instead choosing to work on negotiation plans in his Whitehall office.
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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It's becoming an even bigger farce, if that were possible.
Button - John Keefe is a consummate PR professional and actually a very nice bloke. He made no mention of the fact that Eurotunnel have plans well under way to reintroduce duty free (in reality EEC tax paid) goods at their Coquelles terminal. This rather implies expectation of a hard Brexit.
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Ray: he is indeed, as is Adam. My point was that Mr Elphicke was being somewhat economical with the actualité in his tweet and did not reflect the 'if' part of his own proposition.
Let's also not confuse Duty Free with Duty Paid, Travellers' Allowances though they might both well be under the default scenario - which I don't think you can objectively describe as 'hard'. The problem for the terminals starts with UKBF/Douane policing of the allowances and, of the two, it's Duty Paid that would be more of a headache. Having said all that, it's current HMG policy not to change the current DP allowances.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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#2041 - Good post. I did appreciate your point about our beloved Charlie being somewhat less than comprehensive in his tweet. You summary certainly matches my understanding.
Who's Adam? Have I missed something? Do you know John then?
Button- Location: Dover
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Not well - only in a work context (and in which Adam H also represents ET/Getlink).
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Courtesy of the Times.
Theresa May faces the worst rebellion of her leadership today as cabinet Brexiteers attempt to force her to push for a harder exit from the European Union than she is planning. Last night seven cabinet Brexiteers held closed talks at the Foreign Office to discuss their strategy before today’s meeting at Chequers, at which Mrs May hoped to persuade the whole cabinet to sign off on her Brexit plans.
One option could be to formally say they are rejecting the paper put forward by the prime minister and confront her with an alternative for a harder exit based on the deal that Brussels has negotiated with Canada.
Hardline Leave supporters were horrified to find out this week that Mrs May was preparing to water down her original proposals and in effect keep Britain in parts of the single market. According to a proposal leaked to The Times, the prime minister wants to buy off Brexiteers by reasserting her commitment to end free movement. She will concede that this means that Britain will no longer be in the single market for services, which accounts for 80 per cent of the economy.
Mrs May will not spell out how she intends to replace free movement, however, in a move causing suspicions among her critics that she may effectively go back on her word in the autumn. A separate government document leaked to The Spectator conceded that Mrs May’s plan would prevent the UK from striking a comprehensive free-trade deal with the United States. Until now Downing Street has maintained the illusion that Britain can sign significant trade deals while also maintaining full access to EU markets. Mrs May’s plan would enable regulatory alignment with Europe — avoiding a hard border with Ireland — and also a trade deal with the US.
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The post Brexit National Anthem?
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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The blue bluegrass of home? Perhaps Ralph Stanley might be a better option:
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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now now boys more like this.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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A lot of talk of resignations later in the day and the PM doesn't seem very worried and it seems we won't be getting the "Brexit" we supposedly voted for. We now have Nigel Farage stating that he will feel compelled to return to frontline politics. I cannot see how as the Tories would never welcome him back and UKIP has descended into farce under their latest leader who is supported by many of the herberts that Farage purged in order to gain respectability.
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Project Fear is becoming Project Reality. Quelle surprise.
As for the re-emergence of Farage, God help us all. The man couldn't run a bath.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Astoundingly Cruella has kept everyone onside(amazing how the loss of a ministerial car concentrates the mind), but doubtless the EU will reject this in the morning.
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Matthew Parris writing in the Times.
I know David Cameron, not well, but I know him. He is not, as Boris Johnson is bizarrely now suggesting, proud of Brexit. He regrets the result of the referendum very much but he stoutly maintains that it was right to ask the voters, even though their reply was not the one he wanted. I have heard him refer to Conservative MPs who are fighting for a soft Brexit as “heroes”.
In no sense, then, is Mr Cameron sympathetic to anything Mr Johnson has been trying to achieve. Any such claim will infuriate him. I wonder if a desperate Mr Johnson is taking leave of his political senses.
There’s an old and doubtless apocryphal cartoon featuring a group of explorers who, cut off from their base camp, have been confronted by a rampaging bear. One of them is facing it. The others have retreated to a safe distance. The man facing the bear calls out to his fellow explorers: “We’re on our own!” From behind some trees the others call back: “Yes you are, aren’t you!” I cannot remove from my mind the picture of a tousle-headed comrade who is discovering tonight that, for the moment at least, his mates have scampered off into the undergrowth.
It will suit Theresa May very well to isolate her foreign secretary from his natural allies. She aims to pick off an already wounded beast and has chosen well. She will hope the spectacle of his agonies will discourage his natural allies from joining him. She appears to have struck first and, for the moment at least, to have the advantage.
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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I guess that 'mobility framework' will give May some legs, and she could hide some more rabbits in the caddy.
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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last nights deal won't get the support of the back benchers in the Tory party more so the hard liners, and it's all well and good T May saying o one can step out of line
but this new deal very pro EU wont be accepted by the hard liners who want to break away completely
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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We may see a very different EU come 2019 as more populist right-wing MEPs take their seats in the EU parliament. This coupled with the labour party, night of the long knives for the Blair MPs in the labour party, we may see another shift in the labour party backing away from supporting EU membership?
The Tory party MPs will be under fire from its core voters to remove the PM.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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the end of Brexit as we know it.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Courtesy of the Sunday Times.
Theresa May has told Brussels to “get serious” about Brexit negotiations as she neutered cabinet Brexiteers — but faced a concerted effort by hardline Eurosceptics to oust her. In an interview with The Sunday Times, the prime minister called on Brussels to ditch their “rigid approach” to negotiations and finally start taking her proposals “seriously”, after she struck a deal with her cabinet on Friday.
In a message to Brexit voters, May said that her package would fulfil her pledges to take back control of Britain’s borders, laws and money, declaring: “I won’t let you down.” But rebel Brexiteers broke cover, saying they would submit formal letters demanding a leadership contest, accusing May of orchestrating a sellout to Brussels. In the crunch talks at Chequers on Friday the cabinet agreed a deal that will see Britain tied to EU rules on the sale of goods and farm products for ever, force British courts to take account of the rulings of the European Court of Justice and that sparked fears May could give preferential access to Britain for EU nationals. At the meeting Boris Johnson declared May’s plans “a big turd” and said that anyone defending them would be “polishing a turd” — before backing down and supporting them.
More than one MP texted the foreign secretary yesterday warning that he had 48 hours to resign and lead moves to overthrow May or he would never be Conservative leader. Others contacted Jacob Rees-Mogg urging him to run for the leadership. “He’s our Churchill,” one said. Confronting those who want a leadership challenge, the prime minister told The Sunday Times: “The only challenge that needs to be made now is to the European Union to get serious about this, to come round the table and discuss it with us.” However, May faced a barrage of criticism from Eurosceptics. Iain Duncan Smith, the former Tory leader, told a Tory WhatsApp group that May’s plans would leave Britain “locked into” the EU in a way that would “cripple our competitiveness” and “in my view is totally incompatible with our status as an independent state”.