Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Or there is more information still to come out....
Courtesy Independent.
Government let British company export nerve gas chemicals to Syria
UK accused of 'breath-taking laxity' over export license for potassium fluoride and sodium fluoride
The Government was accused of "breathtaking laxity" in its arms controls tonight after it emerged
that officials authorised the export to Syria of two chemicals capable of being used to make a nerve
agent such as sarin a year ago.
The Business Secretary, Vince Cable, will on Monday be asked by MPs to explain why a British
company was granted export licences for the dual-use substances for six months in 2012 while
Syria's civil war was raging and concern was rife that the regime could use chemical weapons
on its own people. The disclosure of the licences for potassium fluoride and sodium fluoride, which
can both be used as precursor chemicals in the manufacture of nerve gas, came as the US Secretary
of State John Kerry said the United States had evidence that sarin gas was used in last month's
atrocity in Damascus.
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Courtesy Independent
William Hague denies he was set to quit over Syria vote
William Hague dismissed rumours on Sunday that he had been on the point of resigning after MPs
voted to prevent the UK from taking military action against the Syrian government.
The Foreign Secretary conceded that last week's Commons defeat meant the UK would take no
part in US-led strikes, despite the delay caused by Barack Obama's decision to consult Congress.
When asked on Sky News whether he had considered quitting, Mr Hague said: "No."
Labour sources claimed that Mr Hague was "very, very angry" and threatened to quit over
David Cameron's decision to go straight to a parliamentary vote.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Barack Obama is looking for a way out of his red line speech
Congress will probably kick out war Obama can then walk away .
The vice of commonsense
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Obviously the Fat Lady hasn`t sung yet.....Boris applies more pressure on Cameron.
Syria crisis: Nick Clegg rules out fresh Commons vote on military action as Boris Johnson
increases pressure on Cameron
The Deputy Prime Minister said 'we're not going to keep asking the same question of Parliament
again and again'
The Deputy Prime Minister, Nick Clegg, has waded into the row over the Commons vote on military
action in Syria saying he couldn't "foresee any circumstances" where the matter would return to parliament.
Mr Clegg insisted the government would not "go back" to the House of Commons on the issue.
"We're not going to keep asking the same question of Parliament again and again," he said.
"We live in a democracy, the executive cannot act in a way which clearly is not welcome to Parliament
or the British people, so we're not proposing to do so."
He added: "I can't foresee any circumstances that we would go back to Parliament on the same
question, on the same issue."
Mr Clegg's intervention followed an article this morning by London Mayor Boris Johnson in which he
stated that MPs could be asked to vote again on military action in Syria if further evidence emerges
that civilians were targeted by chemical weapons.
Mr Johnson joined calls for a second vote after Washington announced that they had seen blood
and hair samples proving President Bashar al Assad used sarin gas to attack civilians.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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some of these emotive statements emanating from washington are getting increasingly crass and predictable.
as ever they personalise it we have had bin laden, saddam, gaddafi and now assad, they seem to be suggesting that assad was making the bombs personally in his kitchen judging by the last paragraph above.
won't be long before they have "proof" that assad eats babies alive every morning for breakfast.
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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"Government let British company export nerve gas chemicals to Syria
UK accused of 'breath-taking laxity' over export license for potassium fluoride and sodium fluoride
The Government was accused of "breathtaking laxity" in its arms controls tonight after it emerged
that officials authorised the export to Syria of two chemicals capable of being used to make a nerve
agent such as sarin a year ago.
The Business Secretary, Vince Cable, will on Monday be asked by MPs to explain why a British
company was granted export licences for the dual-use substances for six months in 2012 while
Syria's civil war was raging and concern was rife that the regime could use chemical weapons
on its own people. The disclosure of the licences for potassium fluoride and sodium fluoride, which
can both be used as precursor chemicals in the manufacture of nerve gas, came as the US Secretary
of State John Kerry said the United States had evidence that sarin gas was used in last month's
atrocity in Damascus."
Above cut and paste courtesy of Reg - the story should finish with the fact that the licenses were withdrawn before any export had taken place. Partial reporting and incorrect reporting on our TVs and in our newspapers is a bane to informed comment and decision making and a boon to ill informed discussion and debate which ends in poor decision making.
I see that the papers and Reg are still misreporting the motion that was before Parliament - say a lie often enough in enough places and it'll be believed.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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BBC reports Al Qaeda has used chemical weapons in Iraq and now possess sarin, mustard gas and nerve gas, and intends using these in the West.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22742201SWWood- Location: Dover
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Chemical weapons, in comparison to biological or nuclear weapons, are relatively easy to produce (as proved by the 1995 Tokyo Satin attacks), especially in countries with widespread chemical industries. That Al Qaeda might try to use them is no surprise at all, and is all the more reason for condemning the deployment of these weapons wherever they are used (something Parliament failed to do).
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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merely condemning them would have been pointless, i haven't heard anyone say they are a good idea.
Keith Sansum1
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The problem we have here now is
the mouse will try to find another route to get this vote through,
but its unlikely to won now that even his own backbenchers and senior lib dems are against a second vote.
Farrage though as always has no idea what to do.although not wanting to go to military action
When asked, so what do the UK do instead
he had no answer
we still have the outstanding issue of the chemical weapons
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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While not having heard any official UKIP opinion on this matter and currently cannot verify Keith's report:
, it would be to UKIP's discredit if Nigel Farage didn't have an opinion on this and on keeping Britain out of the Syria war, should Keith's report prove substantiated.
?
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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The Voice of commonsense
UKIP
Brian Dixon
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yet more ukip propaganda full of myths.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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and no answers
chemical weapons used farrage said do nothing
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At the end of the day, if you're feeling hungover, if you've consumed far too much crisps, peanuts and beer from the night before, if that last tipple of blended malt got the better of you, if you look in the mirror and see your father or worse your grandfather, if your favourite blog has given up the ghost and decided to stop blogging, if you find listening to one D really rather depressing and represents the future of modern music, if you find the world an ultimately depressing place and life is so tiresome at least you can console yourself with the glowing, reassuring thought that you are not Paddy Ashdown.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Nigel Farage is NOT for dragging Britain into the Syria war.
As for Keith's question: what to do about chemical weapons, Farage answered that blindly firing cruise missiles into Syria won't solve the problem. We don't even know who used them.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I think we are close to getting the info that the govt used them, but that info will be qualified soon.
What we do have though is chemical weapons have been used, we do what?
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Nothing
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If we could surgically remove Assad's WMDs without collateral damage (nigh-on impossible) I would be in favour of limited strikes. But the danger of making things far worse is too great, in my opinion. Then we have credible reports that the rebels also possess chemical weapons, (either looted from Government stores or provided by the Saudis), and that the 'attack' last month might have been an accidental release of gas. So what then? Syria is already deep in a multilateral civil war and much of the country is in a state of total anarchy. We should be putting our resources into humanitarian operations to help the one-third of Syria's population displaced by this conflict, not embarking upon courses of action, based on incomplete information, which may raise the temperature further and lead to further loss of life.
I would like to see Obama, Putin, Cameron and Hollande getting together with the Turks, Iraqis, Jordanians and Lebanese to develop an assistance plan for the innocent victims, not arguing over who is going to fire the first shot.
Two wrongs do not make a right.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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definatly better than doing nothing peter
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