William Hague Syrian War
- 31 August 2013 10:05242709# 179....Neil you boast of many talents,clairvoyance being another.
- 31 August 2013 10:142427131-When Parliament was recalled it was already widely known that a vote of the Security Council, to sanction such action as was envisaged, was never going to materialise.
2-It was decided that military action (ostensibly to punish somebody/anybody for crossing some proclaimed Red-Line) would still be possible under separate provisions of the UN Charter - to defend a population in immediate danger.
3-All involved in UK Politics are acutely aware that rash action was political suicide. Better to; seek cross-party support, debate the issue - and thereby give full voice to 'our' principled objections to CW etc., and gain Parliaments backing for action, with the knowledge of the issues outlined in '2' above.
4-Such cross-party support initially looked likely, (here we enter The Twilight Zone), it appears that it was thought Dave was having it all too much his own way, the opposition needed a platform of it's own.
5-New Labour's motion, although immediately accommodated by Govt, did give voice to those who 'messed'-up over Iraq, to underline their new found reasonableness to Joe Public. It need not have done more.
6-[If I hadn't witness this I would be utter incredulous, but we all know this is so.] Many MPs could not be bothered to turn-in on the day, many Govt MPs lost the plot and voted either against or both ways and two were in deep discussion (perhaps about affairs in Uganda) even Govt whips, in a whipped vote, voted against.
Let me clear about where I stand. This vote should have been won, and won handsomely. The next vote should have failed.Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - 31 August 2013 10:21242716Reg, I haven't needed my clairvoyance skills at all on this occasion. the motion shows what would have happenned with the UK by its wording, your interpretation of the motion and how you tell us you have treated motions in the past shows how you would have acted had this motion been passed. No wonder our country is in such a mess and politicos are so distrusted.
Tom, well said - I never thought I'd say that:) - 31 August 2013 10:40242721
- 31 August 2013 13:42242742The US Secretary of State Kerry does not trust the UN and will not wait for a UN assessment.
This should set a thousand alarm bells ringing.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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31 August 2013 18:00242770on this we agree alexanderALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 31 August 2013 19:19242780President Obama has decided to attack Syria, but will first consult Congress, which returns from recess on 6 September.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 31 August 2013 20:03242787Physician heal thyself.
Why not teach the world a lesson on the subject of the killing and maiming of children by the use of chemical agents in 'wartime'?
Not by killing yet more people, but by doing the very opposite.
Each and every day, and throughout each and every day, that Obama has held the office of President of the United States of America children have been killed and maimed through the inaction of that office holder...
"A study examining the causes of a dramatic spike in birth defects in the Iraqi city of Falluja has for the first time concluded that genetic damage could have been caused by weaponry used in US assaults that took place six years ago.
The research, which will be published next week, confirms earlier estimates revealed by the Guardian of a major, unexplained rise in cancers and chronic neural-tube, cardiac and skeletal defects in newborns. The authors found that malformations are close to 11 times higher than normal rates, and rose to unprecedented levels in the first half of this year - a period that had not been surveyed in earlier reports.
The findings, which will be published in the International Journal of Environmental Research and Public Health, come prior to a much-anticipated World Health Organisation study of Falluja's genetic health. They follow two alarming earlier studies, one of which found a distortion in the sex ratio of newborns since the invasion of Iraq in 2003 - a 15% drop in births of boys.
"We suspect that the population is chronically exposed to an environmental agent," said one of the report's authors, environmental toxicologist Mozhgan Savabieasfahani. "We don't know what that environmental factor is, but we are doing more tests to find out."
The report identifies metals as potential contaminating agents afflicting the city - especially among pregnant mothers. "Metals are involved in regulating genome stability," it says. "As environmental effectors, metals are potentially good candidates to cause birth defects.
The findings are likely to prompt further speculation that the defects were caused by depleted uranium rounds, which were heavily used in two large battles in the city in April and November 2004. The rounds, which contain ionising radiation, are a core component of the armouries of numerous militaries and militias..."
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/dec/30/faulluja-birth-defects-iraqIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - 1 September 2013 00:44242807President Holland of France announced he will await the decision of the American Congress on Syria.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 1 September 2013 02:10242808Al Qaeda chemical weapons factory making bombs 'set for Britain' uncovered in Iraq
2 Jun 2013 10:55
Anti-terror police found the deadly haul in raids on three locations in the capital Baghdad.
An al Qaeda chemical weapons factory making bombs to be smuggled to Western targets including Britain was uncovered in Iraq yesterday.
Anti-terror police found the deadly haul in raids on three locations in the capital Baghdad.
They seized raw materials being used to make poison gases which were to be released using remote-controlled toy planes.
Five men under surveillance for three months were arrested.
Order One is reported to have confessed to being part of a group making gas to order for terror cells in Europe.
Defence spokesman Mohammed al-Askari said they had found three workshops with materials to make chlorine bombs, sarin nerve gas and First World War-style mustard gas.
He added that foreign intelligence services had helped to arrest the men, although it is not known if Britain was directly involved in the operation.
The haul comes after the 10th anniversary of the Allied invasion of Iraq.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/al-qaeda-chemical-weapons-factory-1927158Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 1 September 2013 02:35242809And now this!
2013-08-02
(written 19 days before the chemical attack in Syria)
Security forces have captured the remaining members of an al-Qaeda cell that manufactured sarin, mustard and nerve gases.
BAGHDAD - The Iraqi Defence Ministry announced July 28 the capture of three further members of a terrorist cell that was planning to launch attacks in Iraq and abroad using chemical weapons.
Al-Fayyadh said further investigations revealed that plans were put in place for al-Qaeda affiliate Jabhat al-Nusra to get access to those weapons and "further aggravate the tragedy of the Syrian people.
http://centralasiaonline.com/en_GB/articles/caii/features/main/2013/08/02/feature-02Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 1 September 2013 02:45242811Here is full article:
Note date: 2 August 2013
Chemical attack near Damascus was 21 August 2013
This is something that needs investigating, as the sources referred to in the article are the Iraqi authorities. They specifically mention a plan by Jabat Al Nusra to commit a chemical attack in Syria.
Security forces have captured the remaining members of an al-Qaeda cell that manufactured sarin, mustard and nerve gases.
BAGHDAD - The Iraqi Defence Ministry announced July 28 the capture of three further members of a terrorist cell that was planning to launch attacks in Iraq and abroad using chemical weapons.
The arrests were made during a series of security operations in Baghdad and Anbar from July 4-9 conducted by army forces with assistance from the Iraqi Intelligence Service, the ministry said. Investigations following the June capture of five cell members and the seizure of chemicals and items used in the manufacture of chemical weapons pointed to the involvement of three additional al-Qaeda members, said Acting Minister of Defence Saadoun al-Dulaimi.
The three had helped the cell to procure and prepare chemical weapons by providing its members with financial assistance, a facility and a means of transportation, al-Dulaimi said. It was clear that the captured members had established links with other terrorist cells, he said, adding that the arrests came as a result of the work of the investigation team handling the case.
Iraqi ground forces commander Lt. Gen. Ali Ghaidan said al-Qaeda's use of chemical weapons "confirms the extent of horror of the terrorists' ideology, which seeks to target Iraqis with these malicious weapons."
Dual use chemicals, fertilisers and industrial liquids are subject to strict monitoring, he said, and the concerned government agencies deliver these items directly to users listed in the government's database.
The government database contains detailed information on those using these items and where they are being used, Ghaidan added.
Iraqi national security advisor Faleh al-Fayyadh said the army's intelligence service has formed a special cell to work alongside the Intelligence Service and the Interior Ministry's Intelligence Agency to investigate al-Qaeda's production and planned use of banned chemical and biological weapons.
Al-Fayyadh said further investigations revealed that plans were put in place for al-Qaeda affiliate Jabhat al-Nusra to get access to those weapons and "further aggravate the tragedy of the Syrian people."
Iraqis welcome cell's dissolution
The Iraqi public welcomed the Defence Ministry's announcement of the cell's capture.
Sunni Fatwa Commission Chairman Sheikh Mahdi al-Sumaidaie described the operation as "a painful blow to the terrorists' heads" that "aborted their sinister dreams."
Terrorists "pay no attention to young or old, and their goal is to kill people," he said. "If those weapons were used, they would have caused fear and panic. I give my blessing to the operation, which I consider a good omen for new high-quality operations by the security forces."
Salaheddine University biology department head Rushdi Abdul Adheem al-Saeedi said al-Qaeda is trying to "launch its attacks with the least efforts and largest destructive results."
"The operation conducted by the security forces pleased the Iraqis in particular, especially after the appearance of the terrorists on television screens, handcuffed and revealing their crime," he said.
Baghdad engineer Nora Abdullah said the cell's capture "proves that Iraqis have no other option but to support the security forces against al-Qaeda," which is "trying to sow bloodshed and destruction in every inch of our country."
http://centralasiaonline.com/en_GB/articles/caii/features/main/2013/08/02/feature-02Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 1 September 2013 07:10242814No one doubts Al Qaeda are capable of using chemical weapons against anyone to achieve their ends and if they can get Assad blamed for it, so much the better - in their eyes. It's Al Qaeda who should be eliminated first. Assad is a bad man, but not necessarily responsible for this chemical attack.
Roger - 1 September 2013 09:09242822Al Qaeda is a state of mind as much as a physical, political, entity. Our current policies serve to bolster this mindset; we need to rethink but it doesn't make for 'sexy' headlines.
- 1 September 2013 11:44242837It appears that our Coalition Government has taken to it's tent...
George Osborne definitively rules out UK joining Syria strikes
Military response no longer an option for Britain even if there are further chemical weapons attacks, says chancellor
"... Osborne said Britain would not join its allies. Asked on BBC1's Andrew Marr Show if Britain could take part in a military response if there was another another chemical attack, or something even worse, Osborne said parliament had reached a settled position...."
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/01/george-osborne-syria-strikesIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - 1 September 2013 13:33242843all former british army generals and chiefs of staff questioned yesterday were against military action as they thought it would worsen the situation .
- 1 September 2013 13:41242846Ah yes Howard, but did Syria enter into the conversation at all?Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
- 1 September 2013 15:06242851The Charge of the Slight Brigade
'Forward, the Slight Brigade!'
Was there a man dismay'd?
[Not until they were through
then each Member knew]
Some one had blunder'd:
Theirs for to make reply,
Theirs for to reason why,
Theirs but to boo and cry:
Into the rally of Death
Rode the six hundred.
Commons to right of them,
Commons to left of them,
Commons in front of them
Folly'd and Bounder'd;
Storm'd-on, their carousel,
As boldly they crow and swell,
Unto the jaws of Death,
Unto the mouth of Hell
Rode the six hundred.
Flesh'd out their reasons bare,
Fume'd as to poisoned air
Slavering all-comers there,
Charging an army while
All the world wonder'd:
Plugged on the smarmy bloke;
Until thro' their lines they broke;
Tosspot and Cretin
Reel'd from the Whips-stroke
Shatter'd and sunder'd.
Then they rode back, but not
Not the six hundred.
Commons to right of them,
Commons to left of them,
Commons behind them
Folly'd and Bounder'd;
Storm'd at, as hot as hell,
While cause and intention fell,
They that had thought 'oh-well'
Came thro' the jaws of Death,
Back from the mouth of Hell,
All that was left of them,
Left of six hundred.
When can their glory fade?
O the wild charges made!
All the world wonder'd.
Honour the charge they laid?
Honour this Slight Brigade?
Not bloody likely friend!
[With apologies to Alfred, Lord Tennyson ]Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - 1 September 2013 17:24242855I'm getting over it all now...
Hold dear your rear...
Down the ages has strove man
to do whatever thing he can
In order to post guard, in view
of all folly that he's wont to do
Cups to secure his meat-n-veg
from all unwanted vandal-age
and sundry helms to best protect
his hall of ego and of intellect
But one battle that e'er must be won
concerns the safety of his sit-upon
without this, benefice there be none
and all his ambitions come undone
A man who'd into public service go
would do best if this truth he know
above all else this lesson's prime
to lose his seat, is a mortal crime
He may steal and lie to his content
and cause his cause embarrassment
and make his Leader out to be a nit
and with a majority, get away with it
But danger lurks ever and anon
[for he be but mother-nature's son]
forever present and never gone
and silent, stalks his sit-upon.Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - Keith Sansum1
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1 September 2013 23:14242895maybe we dipped out at the right timeALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS