Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Boris always strikes when Cameron shows a soft underbelly,which is beginning to happen more frequently
even Ossie has put his stick in the mix....
Syria Crisis: David Cameron Has to Ignore Clarion Call for Second War Vote
David Cameron can't and won't flip on Syria vote.
David Cameron has not actually declared "don't hold your breath", but his latest words to those
senior Tories and others calling for a second Commons vote on military action against Syria
amount to the same thing. It isn't about to happen.
Not for the first time, it is London Mayor Boris Johnson who has challenged the prime minister's
stance, saying there could be a second vote if more evidence of chemical attacks was revealed.
Former Foreign Secretary Sir Malcolm Rifkind and former Liberal Democrat leader Lord Ashdown
have also urged Cameron to use the pause created by President Obama's referral of action to
Congress to "think again" about British involvement.
But today's words, which followed similar sentiments by Foreign Secretary William Hague and
Chancellor George Osborne at the weekend, seem to be painting Cameron into a corner of his own
making. It would be seen as yet another major U-Turn if, in 10 days' time or so, he said it was
right to have another go at getting his way in parliament.
The line from Downing Street is pretty straightforward. "There is no change to the government's
position. The government made its case (for military intervention) and parliament expressed its
view. The House did not support that. Parliament has spoken and that is why the Government
has absolutely no plans to go back to Parliament. "
Some will see the words as not the same as saying "never, under any circumstances", but the
political embarrassment, not to say ridicule, Cameron would face if he flipped in the next few
weeks would be severe.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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seems that mr kerry and president assad have fallen out after all the nasty things the former accused the latter of.
wasn't always like that as we can see in this photo taken in 2009.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Classic
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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It is reported that today's headline in The Times concerns the British Military being excluded from all discussions on the subject of possible attacks on Syria.
Ah well, yesterday's news is tomorrow's chip-paper.
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Syria: Obama Makes New Military Action Vow
"The US has a plan to help Syria's rebels bring down the Assad regime after launching military strikes, President Obama has said.
Mr Obama said again that military action against Syria would be "limited" but suggested a strike would go further than simply punishing President Bashar al Assad's alleged use of chemical weapons.
The president said he was confident that Congress would vote in favour of military action and called for a prompt vote on the issue.
During a meeting of congressional leaders at the White House, he said: "What we are envisioning is something limited. It is something proportional. It will degrade Assad's capabilities.
"At the same time we have a broader strategy that will allow us to upgrade the capabilities of the opposition." ..."
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/syria-obama-makes-military-action-vow-142718726.html#v3EkutL Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Keith Sansum1
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David
I refer to your post 218
where you have no answers
at least I gave some ideas
silly man
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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you seem to have misread post 218 keith, the gist was that we do nothing.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Tom, (244) it was in the
Torygraph too. I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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exactly Howard
as I say I gave a view
no military action
but other ways to help the country plus other views
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#248
Ah yes, the old 'involved vs committed' conundrum, our status has been shifted from 'Pig' to 'Chicken'.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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our american cousins are clearly taking sides in this, i would have thought that experience would have told them that it is never as simple as which side wears the white hat.
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Just like always all the refugees will make there way across several countries to get to the uk
The doors will be slung open by politician that could not give a toss about Pressure on schools hospital and housing
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Any question as to the cost of firing missiles, which must be in the many mi££ions, was thought beneath our dignity to ask, but as stated below, there is still a price that needs to be, and should be, paid...
Humanitarian crisis: Syria's nightmare
The UN, as the number of refugees passed the 2 million mark, has declared Syria the 21st century's worst crisis
"...The UN, which works with many national and regional agencies, is not the only player: large amounts of bilateral aid are coming from Syria's Arab neighbours. But because this is not integrated into the wider relief effort, it is hard to co-ordinate efforts. There are gaps and wasteful duplications.
That, though, is a much smaller problem than the underfunding of the UN's humanitarian relief programme, which needs about £1bn to help displaced people in Syria itself, and its refugee relief programme, which wants £2bn just to look after the millions fleeing their homes until the end of the year. Fortunately, a solution is at hand, for on Thursday the 20 richest countries in the world meet in St Petersburg. At the very top of the agenda should be a session where every participant pledges as much as it takes to meet the overwhelming humanitarian need. It should not stop there..."
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/04/humanitarian-crisis-syria-nightmare-editorialIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Walk round London with a bucket Tom, send the collection to the govt to do as it sees fit.
On other threads we've got people wringing hands about a living wage, others its about the bedroom tax, others its about tax fiddles, others its about people starving at food banks.
Just how big is that money tree in your garden?
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Are we one of the richest 20 in the world?
If so the whole world is finished because we're more than £trillion in debt.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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All them men in them camps need to get back into there country and fight for there country ,instead of expecting others to do the fighting for them
If they won't democracy let them get stuck in
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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[As we know, all money-tree policies are promulgated by Bankers and their ilk, think QE, for instance.Do try to keep up David.]
Have you bought shares in the miniature-rifle market Keith? One minute you're all about women & children, with their drain on schools and hospitals, and the next it's all would-be combatants.
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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First they need food, shelter and security for themselves and their families. Then they need proper organisation, arms and training - provided by the West and funded by the Saudis - otherwise when they go back to fight they will just be cannon fodder.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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tom
Theirs only one way the Arabs will have there countries
It's in there hands
All need to pull back ,and let them get on with it
I remember when Kosovo was being liberated by young British Soldiers some only 18 , I was working in london with young men from Kosovo
They started Laughing when I suggested they go fight for there country.
